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I think this is a great question, just based on personal experience if a sire has a better turf than dirt TGI, and the first time turf TGI is mid-teens or better, for me it\'s a candidate to be a grass move-up.  No data to back this up, just what I\'ve noticed/experienced.  I\'m sure it depends on the circuit, I play Ny and SoCal. Would be interested in hearing others thoughts and opinions, of course when there is data on the dam that is most reliable but often times if it\'s a first or second foal the sire data is all we have.
Marc

Tread,
Could not agree more.  The DMR main track during this meeting has been the complete opposite of how it\'s played every other meeting since they installed Poly.  I play it every day and I can\'t think of more than a handful of races where the deep closers have rolled by late down the middle, which used to happen all the time in previous years.  It has played as much like a dirt track as any synthetic I\'ve seen, even as much or more so than BHP.

The worst of it for me is, in the SA Oaks I liked her to sit the trip behind Beholder and maybe get by her late, was alive for a very nice collection in the p5 that day.  Them today I use 3 with her being the chalky one of the 3, and she gets by my best one late.  In the words of Charlie Brown aaaarrrggghhh.

I\'m not as \"veteran\" as some on here but been watching and playing this game 30 years and I\'ve never seen a rider in a zone like he has been in for the last month.  Every time I think I\'ve got him beat he rolls by again.

I live in a state (AZ) where state law prohibits any sort of online wagering.  None of the US-based ADW\'s will accept customers from AZ.  Does anyone know of perhaps a service that\'s non-US based but still puts bets in the pools that might accept customers from those of us living in these backward-a** states?  I want to play in the pools but they leave me no choice but to play off-shore (not inthe pools) with these ridiculous rules.  It\'s been a while since I checked into this, just checking to see if anyone has a possible solution.
Thanks.

I am not a vet and honestly have no idea what they are using, but a couple of things I\'ve noticed as someone who plays this circuit daily:

1. Most of the big move-ups come after they\'ve had the horse for at least 30 days.  They claim/purchase, lay them off 31-90 days and then roll.

2. The way most of them win is with huge final fractions.  They won with a sprinter about a week and a half ago who came a final quarter in sub-23.  No matter how beaten they look at the quarter pole they seem to always come home fast enough to roll by, regardless of how easy the leaders have had it up front.

Whether these facts lead to excessive steroid use (just a guess) or something else is up for debate, but there\'s no doubt that they\'re using SOMETHING that no one else is, and also no doubt that SOMETHING should be done about it.