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What is Ragozin without Ragozin?  If you have an answer, tell me.  To me, JB is a Ragozin rip off (from the first when he worked for Len on out)--nonetheless, better than nothing, even if only very slightly so.  When you could complement Ragozin with Siegelaub\'s and Brad Thomas\'s Thorobet--then you had something!  Anyone who knows how to substitute for thorobets, tell the world.  (And don\'t tell me: \"plot your own trips yourself.\"  Waste your time in the process.  Marc and Brad SAW races.