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To make it even worse, their last press release makes it seem like they paid the consolation for the late pick 4. Perhaps Twinspires is the problem?

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/275621/tampa-bay-downs-outlines-decisions-amid-tote-problems

\"Customer satisfaction and trust are at the foundation of our business, and anything that erodes that needs to be addressed,\" Berube said. Is that a joke?

He added that the decision to pay off on multi-race wagers, such as Pick 3s, Pick 4s, and Daily Doubles, by stipulating \"ALL\" winners of the 11th and 12th races was made in accordance with Florida pari-mutuel statutes, which are similar to nationwide standard rules whereby \"no contest\" or \"no race\" designations dictate awarding \"ALL\" runners as the \"winners\" for such legs.

Tampa Bay Derby 2024

Race 9 won by #3
Race 10 won by #5
Race 11 run but declared a non-wagering event
Race 12 canceled
 
Consolation payouts approved:
Pick 3 (races 9/10/11)  3/5/ALL
Pick 3 (races 10/11/12)  5/ALL/ALL
 
Refund approved:
Pick 4 (races 9/10/11/12)

Why not a consolation 3/5/ALL/ALL on the late pick-4?

Kentucky rules clearly state that the wager is to be refunded if MORE than half of the races are canceled. Otherwise, consolation payoffs are in order. That means the late pick-3 should have been refunded since 2/3 of the races were canceled. The late pick-4 should have paid a consolation amount since only 1/2 of the races were canceled/non-wagering.
 
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/kar/titles/810/006/020/
 
Florida rules are apparently \"missing\". I could not find them and got no response from TB, GP, or the FL Racing Commission. Twinspires refunded the wager and said \"Unfortunately all payout decisions are made directly by the track\".

Anybody else have the first two legs and settled for a refund? My only thought is that the late Pick-4 was compromised (past-posted?) and they have no idea what the legitimate pool was. Very suspicious. The track ignored my request to show me the Florida statutes, as if they don\'t exist. The latest TB press release claims they followed industry standards, but they clearly didn\'t.

Fraud? Negligence? Cause for class action/punitive damages? Can\'t be ignorance because they spent all night supposedly figuring it out.

Irony:
  Cox gets the Derby win via a failed drug test?

Karma:
  BB nailed for one thing he didn\'t do?

Clarity:
  Test is picograms per milliliter of blood.

Infinity:
  Detected amount divided by allowable level.

Justify:
  No justifying this as a \"Garbage Test\" since it applies to all.

Great, lets make sure the shysters and pettifoggers keep working. That\'s more scandalous and problematic than the racing cheats. Ambulance chasers will file suit for vaccine injury AND now you say they will also file if somebody simply contracts the virus? In other words, deep pockets are always negligent. (no need to point out that corona has no current vaccine and is less understood). It\'s anything to make a buck, a la Navarro and Servis.

Those who think it was merely race riding will be the first to cry foul next year when TAP has 5 entered in the Derby and he turns it into a rodeo. Since the stewards took no action, the ride was clearly legit... but IMO it sets a piss poor precedent. All thoroughbred owners should boycott Frenchie for a year! Of course that is a joke, since we all know that there is zero collaboration in this industry... except for the collusion necessary among participants to \'guarantee\' the outcome of certain races, like this year\'s Belmont...

The original question reads as follows:
how about offering up your thoughts [regarding the Derby tops by Bravazo and Instilled Regard].
Pretty straightforward, unlike the two non-answers.

JB, instead of checking out the other guys, how about offering up your thoughts on the two E horses that ran the 3rd (tied) and 4th best numbers. Slop and pace have to be contributors to the big unexpected jumps... wondering if anything else occurs to you in hindsight?