4star dave

[SoCalMan2]

BitPlayer Wrote:
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> From NYRA Steward\'s Decisions:
>
> Stewards inquiry and jockey objection from the 2nd
> place finisher #7 A lot (Javier Castellano)
> against #8 Tourist (Joel Rosario) for alleged
> inference leaving the gate. The #1 King Kreesa
> (Irad Ortiz) broke out and the #8 Tourist broke in
> causing crowding leaving the starting gate. After
> viewing all video angles and speaking to the
> riders involved in the judgment of the Stewards no
> further action was warranted.

Only saw these posts after I posted an opus.  The one horse started in path 3 (lane 1) due to starting gate placement.  He came out very briefly into lane 2 (path 4) before straightening out.  What the one did, did not impact the outside two horses.  To blame what happened between the two outside horses on the rail horse (who was put into the 3 path by the starting gate placement) seems ludicrous to me.  Really depressing.  If they said they did not think what happened between the 7 and 8 was dangerous or significant, that would be one thing -- but to say the 1 horse caused crowding seems really out there to me.  If the gate had been placed so that the 1 lane was the 1 path instead of the 3 path, what would they have said?

[KK4510]

Watch the replay of the Saratoga Special. Yes there was a infraction but at the finish the horses involved were many lengths back, apparently how close the finish does not determine take downs. But who was the trainer of the dq horse.

[SoCalMan2]

KK4510 Wrote:
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> Watch the replay of the Saratoga Special. Yes
> there was a infraction but at the finish the
> horses involved were many lengths back, apparently
> how close the finish does not determine take
> downs. But who was the trainer of the dq horse.


thank you for posting this -- I went and watched this replay.  Had nothing bet on the race, didn\'t know anything about it.  

To my view, while there was some rough riding amongst three horses,,,,,there was always an open path maintained and it was hard to say which horse did what as none of the three in question maintained straight paths.  To me, that was a more questionable DQ than a DQ yesterday would have been.  Also, these are 2yos who normally run greenly early in their careers.  

I do not like what I am about to say -- but maybe you are right in this case -- they favored Todd Pletcher over Horacio DePaz and that maybe they felt more comfortable altering the result of a GII than they would for a GI.  I hope I am wrong, but I understand what you are saying after reviewing this one.  

You are clearly right that the margins at the end are not relevant in light of this DQ.

[SoCalMan2]

KK4510 Wrote:
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> Watch the replay of the Saratoga Special. Yes
> there was a infraction but at the finish the
> horses involved were many lengths back, apparently
> how close the finish does not determine take
> downs. But who was the trainer of the dq horse.


Interesting tidbit -- the DePaz horse that was DQ\'ed resulted in Show payoffs being longer than Place payoffs in a five horse race.  I wonder if there would have been a negative show pool if they have left the 2-5 in a 5 horse field stay on the board?  OY -- this one really smells fishy.

At least it does remind me of listening to race results on the radio -- whenever a place or show payoff would be suspicious, after reading out the prices, the announcer would say \"prices okay\" meaning, yes even though show is more than place, that is what happened.  Love hearing the \"prices okay\" -- it meant people were paying attention.

[KK4510]

Bridgejumpers got screwed in this race.

[KK4510]

This story was told to me by my father who was a lifelong horseplayer. Back in the 50\'s, when Calumet Farms ruled horse racing, they sent a horse out west named Miz Clementine to run in a big stake race. She won the race and was dq. Mrs Markey, owner of Calumet, vowed to never race again in California and she never did. Goes to show the power of big stables.