Attheracesandbeyond

[TGJB]

I inherited Assmussen when I got Parra as a client, and have been working with him directly recently. But Mmy point is that anyone can look at the sheets of the horses that change hands and form their own conclusions about trainers-- that\'s how I do it. I don\'t care what anyone tells me, with few exceptions.

[Formal Gold]

Jerry,

I am using Amoss as my trainer and I am pretty familiar with his operation.  I don\'t believe he is using anything illegal.  He is very aggressive about where he puts his horses.  They often run big numbers on the drop.  I think that is true of most trainers but Tom drops more readily than most others.  I think this is the reason he has such a high win percentage.  Having said that, I know his brother is the New Orleans Saints team physican!

[cubfan0316]

i have the answer. why dont all the honest trainers start finding a new livelyhood. prettysoon the cheaters will be all alone.   game over.

[TGJB]

Formal Gold-- Again, my comments about Amoss and any trainer are based strictly on the sheets of their horses. Since it is still there, go to the Red Board Room and take a look at the sheet for Smoke Mountain, scratched from yesterday\'s 5th at FG. First race for Amoss was 10/13.

While you are at it, look at the sheet of the wiiner of the previous race, Dr. Schwartz.  First start for Autrey was 12/23.

The info about Amoss\' brother is interesting.

[flushedstraight]

More inconclusive evidence for the record regarding Pletcher/Allday circa 2002;

Freedom\'s Daughter dies
Warners dies
Left Bank dies

the mysterious deaths, which if anything, must be considered a statistical anomaly

[imallin]

Jerry,
Just listened to the ATRAB show. Great stuff, i agree with pretty much everything you said.

If every racehorse was clean, the best horseplayers would win just like they do now. BUT. People who weren\'t that good but had inside info as to what horses were getting the juice and what horses were NOT getting the juice would not be able to win.

With no drugs, there\'s no way the \'racing mafia\' could win unless they actually had a true, honest to goodness, winning horseplayer telling them who to wager on. Any illegal stuff going on behind the scenes would be stopped cold in their tracks. There are probaly very powerful people behind what goes on in the biggest betting days of the year that NEED drugs to be in the game....or else, how would they win?. There has to be someone, somewhere who knows some really, secretive, amazing information about the Ky Derby/Preakness/Belmont/BC races that they can win an absoltute MINT. A license to print money just on the biggest days of racing. If every horse was drug free, how would these guys know who to bet on? They\'d actually have to handicap the winners like the rest of us...imagine that!

Here\'s a hypothetical scenario. Lets say Barbaro was lame the day after the Derby in his stall at Fair Hill. Do you know how much that information is worth had you been able to KNOW he\'s lame but going to race in the Preakness anyway? Whats that worth to a horseplayer who can wager 50,000 on the Preakness? If you know a 1-5 shot can\'t hit the board. How much would you pay to be the only person to know Barbaro can\'t hit the board in the Preakness and you had the ability to wager 50 or 100k into the pool? Its gotta be worth at least 50k, right?

Now, i just used Barbaro as an example because he comes to mind, but just think about stuff from the past....like the Holy Bull rumors that he was drugged before the Derby so he couldn\'t win...what would that have been worth if you knew the guy who slipped him a mickey an hour before the race? Its worth whatever you want it to be worth into those betting pools. How about Point Given....amazing horse who just happened to run flat in the Derby. Was PG slipped a mickey in the Derby? Who\'s to say, they never came up with anything as to why he ran so poorly.

So, there are people with HUGE pull who don\'t want to change a thing. Don\'t ask, don\'t tell.

The level playing field makes all the people who are siphoning large amounts of money out of the big betting pools go away and forces them to actually HANDICAP the races, instead of knowing who\'s getting the burst and who is not.

I agree with putting the vet\'s name on the program and publshing \'vet stats\'. Also they have trainer and jockey standings? Have \'vet standings\'.

Also, i think horses need to be under video supervision at all times....if that horse comes up positive, just go back to the videp surveillance and see what happened.

You have lots of great ideas, hopefully someone in the game who has some pull is listening.