We Were Pretty Lucky Today

[fkach]

>Maybe commentator will get \"compromised\" in the BC Classic, like you thought he would get compromised yesterday by the 54-1 shot. Heck, he only won by 14. If he wasn\'t so compromised, he would have won by 18 or 20. <

My pace ideas have obviously been beyond your comprehension for some time, but to enlighten you a little, I was suggesting that there is a huge difference between a Commentator\'s \"A\" game against the slug he faced yesterday and Commentator\'s \"C\" game against a slug like he faced yesterday. If he came with his \"C\" game (which I thought was unlikely but which was suggested as possible in the ROTW analysis), he was going to be in a lot more trouble that it looked because he was going to get that pressure.

In the Classic, his \"A\" game will be probably be compromised because he will be facing other Grade 1 speed horses.

This is easy to explain mathematically, but if you think about it for ahwile it may sink in.

Let\'s spare Jerry and leave this alone. If you have a problem with me, ignore me like many others do. I have no problem with that. But don\'t insult things or people you don\'t even understand.

[P-Dub]

Silver,
I would watch the name calling.

There are many derogatory names you can be called based on your many ridiculous posts.  Idiot comes to mind but I won\'t call you one.

I responded to yet another crybaby rant from you regarding Big Brown. You remind me of a child complaining abot the same thing over and over and over and over....get it??

[Silver Charm]

Pee-Stub I didn\'t call anybody a name I just told it like it is.

I made a point about two really good maybe special horses who ran yesterday, Commentator and Indian Blessing and nobody seemed to get real excited about it. What a shame. They have been extremely well trained by two of racings finest and recognizable names. These two guys deserve some real credit and recognition along with their horses but obviously they will get none of it from you.  

Please put a handicapping post up one of these days. Please make a selection before a race sometime. Please bring up a controversial issue and debate it now and then. Stop thinking somehow you are making progress trying to establish yourself as the board bully.  

Right now racing is about to enter the most exciting five weeks in the sport and I am pumped about it. As everyone else should be. Do us all a favor.

Disappear............

[jbelfior]

Fkach:

The general public was in front of their television sets on Sunday watching their hard earned dollars go down the toilet on the Giants, Colts, Patriots, and Broncos.

Put 100 gamblers in the room and 95 of them bet on the NFL, 5 bet the ponies and maybe one of them knows who Indian Blessing is.

Racing is a tough sell to the general population who flip coins every Sunday thinking that they know more than a Vegas line maker. A Big Brown is easy to market. Besides the fact that it\'s only one name for these geniuses to remember, this guy always covers the pointspread.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[P-Dub]

There you go with the names again.

I\'m not the board bully, although someone pretty sensitive might think so.

I\'ve made handicapping posts, made selections, debated issues.

As for the most exciting 5 weeks, I\'m not the one crying over and over again about Big Brown or synthetic racing surfaces.

I\'m also the one who will be in attendance at Santa Anita in 5 weeks, not crying about a synthetic BC. I\'m also not telling people I won\'t bet it or attend.  

What exactly do you contribute besides 10 posts a day of nothing??  You either bitch about Big Brown, moan about synthetic surfaces, suggest something ridiculous (entering Big Brown in no less that 5 BC races, pure genius there), start a thread and then respond to your own thread 4 more times because nobody else wants to, make some half assed selections, and then when you have nothing else to do you make comments on virtually every thread posted.

I don\'t post many selections because, unlike you, I don\'t need to make myself feel important by picking a winner in public. The only affirmation I need is my pocketbook. It says I\'m doing pretty well.

I don\'t comment on EVERY subject because, unlike you, I\'m not arrogant enough to think I know everything and would rather listen to others that know more than me instead of just adding fluff and blabber to intelligent conversations.  

We\'re done with this.  If you have anything else to say to me, send a private message. Just drop the knowitall act, its almost as tiresome as the whining I\'ve already mentioned.

[richiebee]

Hard to argue about the next 5 weeks being pretty exciting--

1) The last five weeks of racing for the year at Belmont, where the leaves will
be changing and some decent races will be run, before NY racing shifts to the
world\'s largest pigeon coop, aka Aqueduct. Last winter on the inner tube, races
were conducted for $7500 claimers. How low can NYRA go this winter? Do I hear
$5000?

2) Keeneland--my opinion Fall Keeneland now possibly the best race meeting in
the US as the NY Greeders and NYRA\'s racing office have conspired to dilute the
product at the Spa. I know that all synthetic surfaces are not alike, but
playing the synthetic at Kee a good \"prep\" for horseplayers in anticipation of
the big event (same comment obviously applies for the five weeks of Oak Tree/SA
leading up to BC).

3) Possibly some playoff baseball in NY, as the Mets bumble and stumble towards
an elusive playoff berth (message to the interim manager--put a padlock on the
bullpen, chuck the pitch count, leave the starters in until their arms fall
off).

4) Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. A joyous yet confusing time, as I will
still be writing \"5768\" on my checks for the next few weeks.

[jma11473]

Of course in NASCAR, like in all other major sports, you know that the drivers will drive in each and every race on the schedule. Horse racing doesn\'t have that kind of schedule and the horses are much, much, much, much less reliable as to if they\'ll even run at all. So the comparisons are meaningless and marketing of a similar type is impossible.

[richiebee]

jma11473 Wrote:
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> Of course in NASCAR, like in all other major
> sports, you know that the drivers will drive in
> each and every race on the schedule. Horse racing
> doesn\'t have that kind of schedule and the horses
> are much, much, much, much less reliable as to if
> they\'ll even run at all. So the comparisons are
> meaningless and marketing of a similar type is
> impossible.

I do not agree. The Triple Crown races have been run at about the same time of the year, each year, for more than a century. When was the last time the Kentucky Derby was not run on the first Saturday in May? When was the last time there was no racing at Saratoga or Del Mar in August? The Breeders Cup Series has been run each fall for the last 25 or so years.

I know the breed is becoming, as you say, \"much, much, much, much less reliable\" but Racing\'s big events have yet to be scuttled due to a lack of equine participants.

Racing\'s big events (and the major race meetings) are scheduled well enough in advance to allow for aggressive promotion and marketing; the problem is that the marketing of Racing as a brand has never been done effectively.

Biggest difference between NASCAR and Horse Racing? Compare what percentage of
Americans have driven a car to what percentage of Americans have ridden a horse.

[Silver Charm]

Ritchie, Keeneland in the fall is not as nearly as tough as Keeneland in the spring. But I didn\'t say easy in either case either.

No 4 1/2 furlong guesses but most importantly the broad base of shippers that Keeneland always gets in either meet come from more synthetic venues than they do in the spring.

Aqueduct in November may not be a nice place to visit but I sure never have minded wagering there.

[miff]

When you have a Barbaro and an Eight Belles breaking down on National TV,it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get a Fortune 1000 company to add their good name to the sport.Unless a sport is covered on National TV in this country, it goes nowhere. Just look at hockey for example compared to the the other major sports.

Remember, there are people/organizations who feel that the sport is cruel to the animals. They have received substantial press and some backing from politicians.Corporate sponsors do not want to go near such controversy.

ESPN(cable) is the closest thing to a \"public\" racing channel and their sports head is NOT enamored with horse racing.The amount of time ESPN allocates to covering  horse racing events is probably less than the coverage they afford to high school cheer leading competitions et al similar \"sports\".It\'s a business all about ratings and revenue, understandably.


Mike

[heatherk]

Richie
I agree with you regarding Forego.  The problem lies in the fact that many of today\'s posters never got to see this freight train rolling from the turn in.  You usually get that Big Red crap, but you failed to point out that he had a poor jockey and trainer for most of his career and ran great in all kind of track conditions.  Forego is the greatest no matter what Bud Delp said.

[hooper]

Heatherk
I think you underestimate the talents of the Forego team. He had two main jockeys,Heliodoro Gustines and Bill Shoemaker. My guess is your poor jockey comment was aimed at Gustines. I can\'t agree as he was aboard many graded winners in NY and was very good on the turf. I think he rode Stage Door Johnny among others. Forego had Sherrill Ward as his trainer at 3,4 and 5 and Frank Whitely at 6,7 and 8. Both are deservedly in the Hall of Fame in my opinion.
Best of luck at the windows.
Hooper