Godolphin

[miff]

\"More interesting to me is when a trainer moves up an older horse than has been in the hands of other competent trainers\"

Cart,

Not a move up, but Court Vision went from Bill Mott to Tricky recently. Tricky did  not like something about the way CV was going in the am.Had vets probe around to find the problem, they did. CV won his first start for Tricky, the horse was not winning for Mott.I do not think the TG fig for CV will be out of line though.Strange stuff happens in racing all the time.Tricky not 80% the horseman of a Bill Mott,go figure!


Mike

[covelj70]

Miff,

very ironic that you said tricky isn\'t 80% of the horseman of Mott.  I agree with you but I happened to be in Dutrow\'s barn this morning and one of the agents who was there said, \"Mott\'s just not the horseman that Rick is\"

I can\'t make this up, swear to god.  Very ironic post given what I heard this AM

[HP]

The more I think about this...one of the best suggestions I\'ve heard/read is that they should publish the vet\'s name in the program.  

How does this work exactly?  Does each stable have a vet or does each individual horse have a vet?  Excuse silly questions...I really don\'t know how this works...but if they can agree on how to list vets...this would be a big step in the right direction since it would move these guys out of the shadows.  

You know when you\'re on a phone call arguing with someone about a service they provided?  And you get to the point of the phone call where you say \"and what is YOUR NAME?\"  That usually changes the whole tone of the conversation.  Probably this simple logic applies here as well...

HP

[richiebee]

Covel:

William Ichabod Mott -- already inducted into Racing\'s Hall of Fame.
Richard Tricky Dutrow -- not likely to be inducted to Racing\'s Hall of Fame
(unless maybe Iavarone donates an addition to the building).

Willaim Ichabod Mott -- pretty much a spotless slate with regards to fines and
suspensions.
Richard Tricky Dutrow -- over 70 documented fines and suspensions, a number which
would be considerably higher if it were not for the fact that Tricky was excluded
from participating in Racing for 5 years for personal drug problems.

William Ichabod Mott -- has probably been a leading trainer at more than 10
different race meets in various locations.
Richard Tricky Dutrow -- been a leading trainer in NY.

Bottom line -- give WI Mott and Tricky the same horseflesh and eliminate any
alleged/purported pharmaceutical edge, who has more success?

The same agent you quoted, when standing in Mott\'s barn, might have been heard to
say that Tricky is nowhere near the trainer that Mott is.

[miff]

Cov,

Tricky\'s stats are great pretty much across the board, Mott\'s more in and out past few years.

Mott also lost Zayat Stable which may be more a clash of personalities rather than an issue of horsemanship.

Despite having said what I did about horsemanship re Dutrow vs Mott,I recently recommended Tricky to a friend with some very expensive horses.He went with Tricky and they already won a few stakes.It\'s all great babe!

Mike

[sighthound]

How does this work exactly? Does each stable have a vet or does each individual horse have a vet?

No, stables nearly always do not have one vet.  They have several.  Stables use different vets for different things:  sickness vet, lameness vet, farm vet, vet in the morning to give lasix for works, etc.

That\'s why \"listing the vet\" is absurd.  There is rarely one vet following and responsible for a horse.  Or a barn.  

Nor can a vet be responsible for the 99.9999999% of the time he isn\'t caring for the horse.  You can\'t even be sure the trainer will give meds as you\'ve prescribed.

Seriously - we need to get alot of you guys on the backstretch several mornings, to see how vets work day in and day out.
 
They don\'t pull up to a barn in a white Mercedes carrying a syringe of magical moveup juice.

[covelj70]

Miff,

It was the highlight of my day when Babe called me Babe.

I know he calls everyone babe but I am telling you, I think he really meant it when he was talking to me