Rapid Redux - Horse Of The Year

[Funny Cide]

NoCarolinaTony Wrote:
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> I\'ve been reading this string and getting
> dizzy.....
>
> Speed Figure is based on the Speed of the race +
> all the other factors stated on the TG How to read
> the figs.....
>
> And the Shoe thing is part of Handicapping.....so
> what are we talking about??
>
> Give it a rest already...

What we\'re talking about is the interjection by someone that the TG figures tell the tale, and that because Z\'s figures weren\'t as good as x, y and z, then she\'s overrated.

I pointed out how TG and other figures don\'t tell the tale.  Her not handling the track early is one such example.  Surely this isn\'t news to everyone around here that there are other things to consider when assessing a horse other than just their speed figures.

[mikemca]

Whether she didn\'t handle the track or not it was to her advantage being how fast they went up front.She walked out of the gate just about every other race also so I don\'t see why it was such a big deal.This is what frustrates people about Zenyatta fans.They try to embellish everything to make her look herculean .

[jimbo66]

I don\'t know.  I bet against her at least 15 of the 19 times she won.  I came away convinced that she was indeed quite a bit better than her TG figures showed.  Not sure how or why, but what I saw with my eyes in that last race was a pretty great performance.  Synthetics either helped or hurt her legacy, hard to tell.  (did they make her seem better than she was because she ran well on them or did they understate her brilliance with the close finishes that synthetics seem to cause)

That said, she probably shouldn\'t have won HOTY.  I don\'t think her best was as good as Rachel\'s best and because she has gotten more press than any horse since Secretariat, by definition she has to \"over-rated\".

Oh, and most importantly, her connections SUCK.......  We wouldn\'t have to be having this discussion if somebody else had owned/trained her...

Anybody betting next Friday/Saturday or should we just continue this

[Breakage]

Let\'s wrap this up.

Until the second best synthetic horse of all time becomes an easy question to answer the claims against Zenyatta are ludicrous.

[Breakage]

Last post I promise,

and I go back to the fnn/score days,
because I registered recently hardly means I am not familiar.

Wildly overrated-a horse who beat the track take out in over 20 starts
and her last race clearly ran to her odds.

without the other horse she wins two Classics by daylight,

the problem is not the horse it is the raters.

and it is not merely coincidence that since the advent of fake dirt 90% of the best figures are assigned to dirt races.

intimating that the HOL and DMR she won over were anything even remotely similar-treating all synthetics as one.

I go on for a week and a half here.