black eyed susan

[touchgold]

so, being an admitted user of both figures on big days, I have to say sheets had the winner off a small top, whereas TG didnt have her getting back to her 2 year old top. One race does not really amount to much,I understand, but the constant bashing of sheet numbers here, and how theyre ALWAYS wrong, is kind of ridiculous. I really dont know what it accomplishes. To me, if youre changing track speeds all day, youre going to miss once in a while, and if youre not changing them at all, youre going to miss also. Anyway, the funny thing is, I dont see any bashing of tgs on the other board...at least not by jake/len. I still contend, it is possible to consistently cash with both.

[TGJB]

I pointed out the Derby differences in advance, and we have the Red Board Room so people can look daily. We encourage that and comparison. You can draw your own conclusions as to why others do not.

[touchgold]

All good here...as I said, you found place horse in derby, and well see about the one tomorrow where the 2 strongly differ in preakness....I think I saw earlier he was well down from his ML, which is discouraging. As far as todays race, I didnt cash. The 3 in tg sheets pretty much matched my read on sheets. Used winner as a saver in exactas which didnt help. Loved the 9 wide move by smith on the 3.

[smalltimer]

You mean other than the \"he\'s insane,\"  \"He\'s a \"nut job\", and \"he\'s nuts\" comments about the TG host?

There\'s a difference between attacking the numbers or a competing site, and personally attacking a person.

I may be full of it, but if a person on a public board was denigrating me like that they would likely be asked to prove it in a courtroom.

In this day and age, personal, insulting attacks in a public forum can have real consequences.

I\'ve read enough from TGJB over the last several years to know he certainly doesn\'t need me defending him.

[touchgold]

well, I can only speak for myself....I never said those things....and as far as my causal glances on other board, I really dont pay attention to others post except for len/jake....too much sherman to plow through....which is a complete waste. I have a ton of respect for TGJB, et al.

[TGJB]

Vito calling me nuts probably doesn\'t cost me a lot of business and he serves as a useful foil since the big boys are scared to come out and play. It did piss me off when Friedman called me a liar maybe 10 times without offering a shred of evidence, which is par for the course over there. But what really hurt was when Len once said I have no sense of humor. I cried all night.

[vp612]

Jerry I am not trying to cost you business ,I already told you 10 times I don\'t care.However your ridiculous attacks ,and assertions about how they make their numbers is absurd.They sell to major owners and your silly argument that they are giving it away is just that ,silly.You are the one running specials every 5 minutes not them.

[TGJB]

Vito-- what I charge both bettors and horsemen is a matter of public record. Since you said that, if you want to have any credibility at all, why don\'t you ask them to do the same so we can compare. If you won\'t, since you made an accusation, you owe me an apology. But I\'m not holding my breath.

Second of all, you have made clear yourself you have no idea how figures are made, so on that basis alone it\'s hard to take you seriously when you say I\'m wrong. How the hell would you know?

[vp612]

Jerry,I believe people use their product because they believe it\'s better.People buy your data because they think it\'s better .It\'s really simple to understand.Yes I don;t understand the science of number making that\'s true but when all  I see is pair  after pair and numbers with hardly any movement it makes no sense to me.