Mike Smith just made a lifetime enemy

[Furious Pete]

It was actually a three horse race where Leif Erikson was the third contender, I backed him.

He blew the turn and ended up nowhere.

[philywheel]

one thing about bad beats, you forget about  them in the 1st race the next day, Bad Beat for me, a DQ on a 17k pik six in the last leg ,lasted 10 mins and they took him down , horrible call ,he didnt deserve to be dq

philywheel

[richiebee]

>
> And what is the HOF\'er doing in a Maiden Special
> \"get out\" race anyway??

Boardit, have another drink of that NJ whiskey.

When a jockey or his/her agent commit to a mount, they have no real idea of where
said race will be on the card. Admittedly, many maiden races, due to field size, end up as the last race on a card.

When a rider gets dropped during a race early in the card, and limps into the paddock to ride a cheap horse or maiden in a later race, then you take notice.

[BitPlayer]

I read or heard somewhere that there is no basis for this angle: the jock does not know where a race will be placed on the program when he takes the call.

[jp702006]

I\'m sure you are correct, however having him as the pilot was just a bonus given the other data.

[hellersorr]

And by \"nowhere\" Pete means Greenland.

[Ace]

Bad beat in reverse. I bet a lumbering son of AP Indy at Hollywood Park 8 or 10 years ago, he was a horse with no early speed and a bit of a late kick, but was 0 for 6 lifetime or so.  He turns for home, sixth of eight and closing, but way too far behind the leaders to make an impact. So the leader and his chaser are 10 lengths clear approaching the wire, and the leader breaks down and the chaser has to jump over him and the jockey falls off. My AP Indy colt lumbers up and \"wins\" at 20-1 or so.  They had to put the lead horse down, sorry to say, I felt guilty a bit until they handed me all that money thru the betting window.

[sekrah]

Good one Ace..  Makes me think of my first major score.  I must have been either 18 or 19 and already knee deep in the game. It was on Preakness day, but I was at an OTB betting other tracks early in the afternoon. I believe it was at Delaware Park this happened.  A horse got DQ\'d moving me into a $1800 trifecta.  Up until that point I was betting no more than $12 a race, I think my biggest hit before that was for like $250.  I think I blew most of those winnings on takeout food, but that hit got me hooked forever.

[trackjohn]

Me too Richie...me too!

[Furious Pete]

I was actually referring to Vineland, as the legend has it he discovered after he was blown out of his course while attempting to go to Greenland.

But in case you were just trying to \"avoid a storm\" by pinpointing that it was not America but Greenland I meant - admittedly I do have a bit of a hard time figuring out what is and is not touchy subjects around here - then let me imitate my favorite TV-character of all time, Larry David:

\"Ooooooh one MUST not insult the sacred A-Mericaah, the sacred America must not be insulted, ooooh\". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQarM1sCw-0

(Just kidding, I love your country).

[hellersorr]

When I figure out what that means I\'ll have a witty retort.

[boardedup]

Thanks for the info, I didn\'t realize Jockey\'s weren\'t aware of the order of the races on any given card.  I guess my next question would be when is the actual race order decided upon?

[richiebee]

boardedup Wrote:
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> Thanks for the info, I didn\'t realize Jockey\'s
> weren\'t aware of the order of the races on any
> given card.  I guess my next question would be
> when is the actual race order decided upon?n


A condition book (which is available online at most racetrack websites in the \"Horseman\" section)(if the Racing Office at Mth is still next to the paddock anyone can get a hard copy) usually covers 3 to 4 weeks of racing. So it is conceivable that 3 weeks ago Carla Gaines told Mike Smith (or his agent if he has one) \"I\'m going to try that Mineshaft colt in a turf race that\'s in the book on May 27\". At that point Smith might commit to ride for Gaines.

Entries are of course taken three to four days prior to races being run, and only
then is the order of a days races determined.

Also found on the websites for most tracks in the \"Horseman\" section is a area which lists nominations/ past performances for upcoming stakes races, so one can get an idea, for example, of who is going to line up against the returning Songbird in the Ogden Phipps stakes on Belmont day.

Speaking of Belmont day, it is one of the four or five best days on the racing calendar. I can only hope that the conversation on the board focuses on the \"consonants\" (Facts, Statistics, Numbers, Patterns) rather than the \"vowels\" (Assertions, Anecdotes, Usupported Opinions). (This coming from a man who has here discussed covering his wife with schlag and has been known to discuss rock albums released well before many of you were born).

Also hoping T-Sev will return for the Belmont with his unique brand of \"Clown Computing\".