Quick question on figure making

[bluechip21]

Hey everyone. Sorry for the novice level question but a friend asked me this the other day and I couldn’t answer it.

With respect to thorograph figures, how much arbitrary input goes into figure making vs a set formula based on the results of a given race?

I was also asked, but gave an answer to this, but curious what others think on the topic, how to do you optimize TG sheets for lightly raced or unraced 2 year olds?

Thanks in advance!

[FrankD.]

Bluechip,

I’ll leave the “arbitrary input” question to JB, however if Miff was still posting you would get an interesting point of view.😎

As for 2 yr. olds and lightly raced horses I’ve found quite a few pricy diamonds in the rough on the dam’s side of the page over the years. You’ll not find that data anywhere else but here.....

Good luck,

Frank D.

[TGJB]

To your first question, there are always formulas applied to the relationships within the race. Relative to other races on the day, there is judgement involved. I would like to think it\'s not arbitrary.

[rezlegal]

Bluechip-to add to Frank Ds point, in 2 year old races time spent is time rewarded in a difficult area of the game. Any dam that ran less than a 10 as a 2 year old gets a bonus point, less than 7 , 2 bonus points. etc.I will also look at 2d dams since there may have been an unexplained reason the first dam had no 2 year old number. As Frank stated, , TGraph provides a weslth of info re trainer intentions, trainer jockey combo etc. Two year old races are often impossible and can often be guessing games—but patience and hard work can be rewarding.

[Bet Twice]

2d dams?  Where do you get that?

[rezlegal]

BT - much of breeding  info re 2 year olds  on sheets goes back several generations- often 3d and 4 th dams. I assume if not published by TG with respect to a particular horse, it is not available. Jerry or Alan can correct me if Inam mistaken.

[bluechip21]

Thanks a lot for the answers everyone. Very much appreciated.

Special thanks to Jerry. As you noted, arbitrary was the wrong word. Thanks for weeding through my obtuseness.

[Bet Twice]

Now I am confused.  The first mare listed on the right is the filly/colts dam and each subsequent horse is an offspring, so a sib(or half sib) of the one in question.  Is that what you\'re referring to?  If so, have I been reading that wrong all this time?