BOARD OF STANDARDS?

[TGJB]

So I\'m back and catching up on the board, and the first thing I get is my blood pressure raised by CH\'s nonsense. So much for the benefits of taking a few days off.

At TG of of neg 3 3/4 would be the equivalent of a Beyer of 115 or 116, BEFORE weight and ground. Borrego carried 126 (at least 5 pounds more than the weight carried by the average winner, and around that much more than the winners of the other races on the Gold Cup card), which would be worth around a TG point, or about 3 Beyer points. Additionally, Borrego was wide. Point being, if you made the adjustments to the Beyer figure, it gets much higher. Not that it matters to anyone but CH-- but his figure ends up at least as good as ours.

Directly to your absolutely ridiculous, repeated ad nauseum, point-- I posted the sheets for the horses in the Gold Cup with the numbers they ran. As you could see, I did not do the figures to the horses who made your \"hot\" pace-- I did it mostly to Suave, Imperialism, and the Lukas horse. It was a no-brainer, within a very tight range. If you want to excuse the horses that did not run well because of the pace, be my guest-- but I don\'t do figures off horses who run \"X\"s, just as I don\'t do it to those that run on a dead rail-- it would result in giving out figures too good to those that are wide (which any figure makers who don\'t watch the rail will do. (See \"Ragozin, 2001 BC at Belmont\").

The pace may or may not have affected the race, but it had no effect on the figures assigned.

CH, do not respond to this unless you have something new. It will be deleted.

TGJB,

\"At TG of of neg 3 3/4 would be the equivalent of a Beyer of 115 or 116, BEFORE weight and ground. Borrego carried 126 (at least 5 pounds more than the weight carried by the average winner, and around that much more than the winners of the other races on the Gold Cup card), which would be worth around a TG point, or about 3 Beyer points. Additionally, Borrego was wide. Point being, if you made the adjustments to the Beyer figure, it gets much higher. Not that it matters to anyone but CH-- but his figure ends up at least as good as ours.\"

I\'ve looked at numerous stakes figures to get an estimate of your scale vs. his. It was a difficult task because your figures are getting faster and his are not. However, as a point of reference most of your fastest races each year get Beyer figures in the 120 range (+ or minus a little) without ground loss considered. If you added in the average ground loss it would be well into the 120s. Beyer gave Borrego a 110. He and everyone else makes the race slower. (most people have it slower than Beyer) That\'s not a statement of who is correct. It\'s just an observation.

IMO Suave was IMPACTED by the pace. So it doesn\'t matter whether you considered the Xs in the race or not when assigning the Borrego figure based on his performance. Even if you want to assume I am wrong, Suave had hardly established himself as a model of consistency at 10F based on one slow paced wire to wire win where his major competitor threw in a clinker. As far as I am concerned, no one has a strong case for what the JCGC figure is.