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miff

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The NYRA Plot Thickens
« on: March 01, 2007, 09:38:12 AM »
Rumor has it that Spitzer caved on awarding the franchise to Excelsior because of his ties.A new panel is being created to evaluate the future of NY Racing. Lots of public hearings and many of the same faces vieing for the big prize.

NYRA very pleased to have another shot at winning and the usual players revisiting their strategies going forward.It has been said that it will be next to impossible to resolve this by years end, so NYRA could be temporarily extended beyond 2007.

Excelsior group wooing horsemen/owners with promises of up to $1 mill in daily purses in the near future(slot money).From experience I do trust ANY investment bank/investment group/venture capital outfit.I have seen many terrific companies destroyed and picked clean by the bean counters. It\'s all about 30% returns etc and they will not hesitate to short change racing(in favor of slots/poker/gambling) the moment the racing part of the company does not perform and it probably will not.Hopefully the politicians will be very careful to address this when finally choosing the franchise winner,if not NYRA.

The one thing for sure is that all eyes are on this thing so it should come out pretty good for NY racing.

Mike
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Re: The NYRA Plot Thickens
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 11:53:47 AM »
Miff-- it\'s also an opportunity to do some thing about the drug stuff. As they hold hearings, everyone should make themselves heard about about a) stopping the dcheating, and b) the need for horseplayers to be informed about co2 levels, vets of record, etc. Spitzer likes to position himself as representing the people, and this is an easy one for him to take a stand on (because nobody would be stupid enough to take the other side)-- but he\'ll only do it if he knows people care.

I\'m working another venue on this issue, I\'ll report when the situation becomes clear, one way or the other.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 04:17:23 PM »
Jerry,

I cannot speak for any of the franchise bidders but NYRA has stated that with the added slot revenues a more comprehensive drug testing policy would be on the agenda.They won\'t say it, but time has now confirmed that pre race holding barns are a waste as it relates to what it was intended to stop.Extra cost is hurting the smaller outfits and the skitty nervous type runners are underperforming according to several legit trainers.

You correctly stated that the public meetings will be a forum to speak out on issues. It would be the perfect opportunity for a \"players\" group to be heard if such an organization existed(it\'s time people).

Drugs,late betting odds drops, computer whales and everything that concerns the  frequent players could be put to each bidder for comment.In that regard I can say that there is a rather small group of whales that I have spoken to NYRA about.The concerns range from drugs to better and timely info to poly surface.

If a substantial formalized group could be put together,it would be heard, especially if it was willing to withold it\'s collective wagers until the important stuff was dealt with.The problem is that there are probably too many conspiracy theorists in the players ranks.A solid group could probably be effective.


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richiebee

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Re: The NYRA Plot Thickens
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 09:45:53 PM »
Miff:

I know you have been a NYRA backer and you have to be happy with Gov. Spitzer
reevaluating the state of the franchise and its future.

As a longtime NY racing fan, I see it as just another delay which almost
assures us of suffering through more sub-par racing at antiquated and
dilapidated facilities (apologies to Walt \"Clyde\" Frazier).

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2007, 12:49:32 AM »
Richiebee dishin and swishin........from long range.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2007, 07:18:49 AM »
With slot money, why would they care about the racing product? There are some tracks that have slots that could care less about the horseraces. You can go to some of these harness tracks that have slots and you could run around the grandstand in circles in a blindfold and never bump into anyone.....why should we think that nyra (or anyone else new running those tracks) would care about horseraces and drug tests if they are raking in the slot money?

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2007, 10:18:50 AM »
Imallin,

Nyra or any other quasi-government entity is non profit. Raking in the money doesn\'t go to owners or shareholders.The money they rake in would go back into the game and the state.A drawback of course is the politicians will always be looking to tap racing money for their sometimes ridiculous pet projects.

Richiebee,

We disagree on winter racing. It should be shut down for at least 6 weeks under the present model imo. When big slot money comes in and purses are dramatically raised, I already hear that quite a few outfits may point to the inner tube meet. This should do away with lots of the NY Bred rats and snails cluttering up most of the winter cards.

On the franchise some interesting stuff:

1.Spitzer is anti NYRA(at the least, it\'s present management team)

2.Spitzer\'s ties to Excelsior make that a tough call for him notwithstanding the previous panels recommendation.

3.Empire is seen as a group of rather small time opportunists that have splintered the New York horsemens group.Financial muscle and over all business accumen not apparent. These clowns actually call for an INCREASE in takeout at a time when the game is in fierce competion for gambling dollars/players.

4.A couple of new big time shooters are making representations that blow away previous bids but Spitzer has said there is no reason to re-bid.I respectfully beg to differ if the state can get a much better deal, Mr. Governor. Others are also asking that question.

Like I said, this thing definitely has center stage and as Jerry mentioned it\'s a good time to write, call, attend meetings and look these guys in the eye and ask pointed \" player\" questions.

Personally I will be contacting Steve Crist to ask that the process is covered in front page style at DRF. Not being parochial here, but if NY Racing goes south, it\'s basically over for racing as we knew it.I doubt that will happen though.

Mike
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Re: The NYRA Plot Thickens
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2007, 12:48:04 PM »
Miff:

If you were going to curtail live racing in NY for a solid block of time,you
would think that the powers that be would want to have a nice facility where
they could operate their VLTs and take 6 - 8 weeks of 12 hour per day simulcasts
from tracks in Arkansas, Florida, California, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico and
Arizona in addition to harness racing.

I agree with Marcus that Aqueduct\'s location is superior to Belmont\'s. The live
gate may never get back to where it was and probably would max out downstate
under optimum conditions (nice facility/high quality racing/shortened racing
season) at 4000-5000 on a weekday and maybe 10,000 on a weekend. But the gate,
even figuring in concessions and parking, is not where the money will be made;
the increased income should come from the use of the building (VLTs, Simo, NY\'s
first jai-alai fronton (just kidding), a wide range of restaurants,a sports bar
or two) when live racing is NOT being conducted.

Neither of the two existing buildings are suitable for these purposes. At the
moment Belmont and Aqueduct are the world\'s largest and second largest pigeon
coops. These 2 buildings are for the most part oversized, filthy, unfriendly and
difficult to maintain; they have been that way for at least the last decade. New
Yorkers will not tolerate this.

The Mets and Yankees will each be in new stadiums by 2010. The unappreciated NJ
Devils will have a new home in Newark of all places. The Nets,if marketed
properly after their move to Brooklyn in 2009, could be the hottest of all the
NY franchises(especially if the Dolan clan still resides on 34th Street).

I disagree with TGJB that medication issues should be brought to the forefront
in NY at this time given the enormity of NY racing\'s problems, which
were not caused by and go far beyond drugs. To try to fix \"the drug problem\" is
well intentioned but at this point is akin to adjusting the drapes on the
Titanic. Restore New York racing to where it was in the 1970s, when it had the
top racing in the US and arguably the most stringent medication restrictions
and lead the rest of racing by example.

New York racing needs a new image in New York. The new image could be
represented by a new or renovated to new facility at one of the 2 downstate
locations. This facility would be open 355 days or so a year, grinding out
income by offering simo, food, drink, 7 months of live racing and VLTs in an
appropriate setting.

Take the income from this multi purpose cash cow and improve racing. Improve
racing by building a backstretch and track surfaces which are horse and trainer
friendly. Improve racing by increasing purses. I would even give some money to
the New York Greeders. I would pay them money in the form of a crop subsidy;
that is I would incentivize the limitation of the NY bred foal crop so that at
least during the Spring, Summer and Fall championship seasons the NY tracks have
a chance to put a competitive product out on the satellite. To me this means
running more races open to horses bred in any state or country.

Improve New York racing by running 50 racing days at the Upstate cash cow, 10 5-
day weeks; its really not many more days than are being run now.

Miff the point about Crist and DRF is a good one but points out another problem:
NY racing\'s attempt to reinvent itself will not be helped by the NY newspapers;
Bossert, Drape and Fountaine just do not get enough space in their mainstream
papers to help bring racing in this area to light.

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Re: The NYRA Plot Thickens
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2007, 01:45:35 PM »
Rich-- the reason the drug issue has to be brought up now is that now is when the focus is on the industry, and leverage exists because people want the franchise. As you may have discovered, once everything is in place it\'s like turning around an aircraft carrier.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2007, 03:27:56 PM »
This is certainly true, but the viability/profitability of NY racing into the
future should be the first priority. Without getting into an extended debate on
the matter, my opinion is that a zero tolerance drug policy (stricter than
neighboring states) which is enforced with purpose may not be good for
the \"business\" of racing in that field size and number of starts per stall may
be negatively affected by stouter regulation of performance altering drugs.

marcus

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2007, 07:48:35 PM »
richiebee , before i get carried away , if the devils were from anywhere else  -  there would practically be a monument honoring them on mt rushmore   ...

i think the drug / medication issue in racing is a very compelling ( and detrimental ) factor in keeping casual fans and big players away from the windows  . also , and if i understand this thing right , it has  caused problems with soundness in race horses with inferior breeding as another consequence .

how did monticello get the casino and is it just a test ballon for down state expansion ,  that one really came out of left field - imo  ...
marcus