Turfway tonight

[ColonelShillito]

After reading the PPs tonight for Turfway Park, I have come across two horses that had previously been disqualified from wins in prior starts for what I presume to be undisclosed reasons.

The first I noticed was a horse named Deputy Darling, trained by Mike Maker, who raced October 3, 2009 at Turfway in his debut.  The debut was a winning effort in a Mdn7500.  Deputy Darling raced 5 lengths back early and came on to win by 3 3/4 lengths.  Underneath his PP line reads disqualified from purse money.  The horse has not raced since this effort and returns to tonight for Mdn17.5k.

The second involves a horse named Happy Wac, a horse that won a N2L at Presque Isle by 3 3/4 lengths at 24-1 after struggling in the allowance ranks at River Downs, PID, etc.  Happy Wac ran six furlongs in 1:09 that particular day.  Underneath the PP line reads \"disqualified from purse money\".  Happy Wac came back to run 7th beaten 12 lengths for 15000N3L at Churchill in her next start.  She races tonight for CLM15N3L.

Can anybody shed light on this DQs?  Am I to assume that both violated medication rules?  I had not previously heard anything about Maker getting suspended for violations, but this bugs me.

Thanks in advance.
Shillito

[jack72906]

I\'m sure someone will chime in with a more detailed description of why this happens, but I have seen horses run in races in NY where they weren\'t eligible for purse money.

Maybe this was the case at TP? If it is why would they use the terminology DQ? That does sound like there was some sort of rules violation.

[Lost Cause]

jack72906 Wrote:
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> I\'m sure someone will chime in with a more
> detailed description of why this happens, but I
> have seen horses run in races in NY where they
> weren\'t eligible for purse money.
>
> Maybe this was the case at TP? If it is why would
> they use the terminology DQ? That does sound like
> there was some sort of rules violation.

I don\'t think i\'ve ever seen that..

I\'ve seen instances of where there was a coupled entry but due to a gate scratch of one of the coupled entrymates the remaining horse was only running for purse money and not a parimutuel placing...but never running but not eligible for purse money..If that were the case..why run?

[elkurzhal]

Deputy Darling was dq\'d for a positive test.  Maker skated.
http://www.khrc.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/9D6C91B3-9EB3-4F87-B78A-64DA52B5BF32/0/090163.pdf

[SoCalMan2]

ColonelShillito Wrote:
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> After reading the PPs tonight for Turfway Park, I
> have come across two horses that had previously
> been disqualified from wins in prior starts for
> what I presume to be undisclosed reasons.
>
> The first I noticed was a horse named Deputy
> Darling, trained by Mike Maker, who raced October
> 3, 2009 at Turfway in his debut.  The debut was a
> winning effort in a Mdn7500.  Deputy Darling raced
> 5 lengths back early and came on to win by 3 3/4
> lengths.  Underneath his PP line reads
> disqualified from purse money.  The horse has not
> raced since this effort and returns to tonight for
> Mdn17.5k.
>
> The second involves a horse named Happy Wac, a
> horse that won a N2L at Presque Isle by 3 3/4
> lengths at 24-1 after struggling in the allowance
> ranks at River Downs, PID, etc.  Happy Wac ran six
> furlongs in 1:09 that particular day.  Underneath
> the PP line reads \"disqualified from purse money\".
>  Happy Wac came back to run 7th beaten 12 lengths
> for 15000N3L at Churchill in her next start.  She
> races tonight for CLM15N3L.
>
> Can anybody shed light on this DQs?  Am I to
> assume that both violated medication rules?  I had
> not previously heard anything about Maker getting
> suspended for violations, but this bugs me.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Shillito


In my experience, it is usually as you assume -- violation of medication rules -- however, i have seen other cases (things that come to mind off the top of my head are -- the horse where there was a mistake in the PPs and ended up not being eligible for the condition but was allowed to race and then they discovered the horse was not eligible for the race.  Also, i seem to recall once a jockey not being eligible to be a bug but was given bug status that was then taken away.  Also, there was the time the jockey at Jefferson Downs hid in the fog in a three turn race and skipped a lap (sort of a Rosie Ruiz scenario -- the jockey was one of the Carmouches)).  

What is even more interesting is that i remember very well back in the 70s that the DRF used to regularly run stewards\' rulings at each track.  They were quite lengthy and quite fun reading.  They covered a lot more than drug violations.  I wonder if it is possible to find a public source for stewards rulings anymore?  It was like reading a crime blotter.  Anybody else remember that?

[classicliberty]

I asked some DRF people about publishing the stewards rulings -- the stopped about ten years ago or so, I was told the racetracks didn\'t want it published, so the drf stopped publishing them.  Of course, if you go to the commission office, they are usually posted on a board.

[sighthound]

\"Skated\"?   This wasn\'t a drugging, or some attempt to drug a horse.

This is a case where the vet screwed up and gave a drug within the withdrawal window by error.

http://www.khrc.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/C19D4C44-AB11-4055-B62C-4FCDEB76E424/0/090162.pdf

[miff]

\"I\'m sure someone will chime in with a more detailed description of why this happens, but I have seen horses run in races in NY where they weren\'t eligible for purse money\"

Jack,

The opposite is the rule. No horse ever runs in NY and is ineligible for purse money entering the starting gate. There are instances when a horse runs for purse money only.This normally occurs when one horse in a coupled entry is a late scratch and the remaining part of the entry runs for purse only,but no wagering is permitted on that horse.

DQ\'s after the fact are almost always caused by post race positives.The DQ\'d horse loses all purse money and the purse is redistributed to the other horses in the race.On rare occasion, there could be an administrative DQ from purse money for improper weight but thats a long shot unless the clerk of scales is sleeping or doing something wrong.

I have never heard of a \"paperwork\" DQ after the race but do not know if such a rule is on the books.

Mike

[SoCalMan2]

Actually, there were some weird occurences in the last view years where the starting gate crew at Saratoga was screwing up like crazy and horses were declared non-starters even though they actually ran in the race.  I saw several races where the horse ran the whole race.....split the field and then was declared a non-starter because of a starting gate issue.  I think in that case, the horse actually runs but is not eligible for purse money.  Am I remembering correctly?  Also, when the jockey falls off a horse, they do not DQ the horse, rather the horse is viewed as not finishing the race (even in cases where the horse actually won or hit the board, but without the jockey).

[miff]

So Cal,

Most \"non starters\" that I have seen finish off the board and all betting on that horse is refunded.I think that horse can still get minor purse money(6th maybe) in order not to penalize the owner.Good point though, I\'ll try to find out the NY rule on non staters as it applies to purse distribution.

Mike

[elkurzhal]

At the risk of not being interesting or funny...

I\'m not really an wordsmith, so skated may not be the best word.  His horse did test positive, and was taken down.  The vet or the help screwed up seems to be the cause of a fair amount of positives, but in most casses the trainer has ultimate resposibility, and is punished as such.  

Turfway cancelled anyway...