Euro numbers

[TGJB]

I will be awaiting comments.

ALSO-- note Cal horses don\'t have as much success when the BC is outside California. Not because of them, they are as likely to run their races, and when that\'s good enough they do fine. But as I have said in several seminars, the east coast dirt horses don\'t fire out there unless they get out early. Here that\'s not an issue.

[ringato3]

I was wrong.  By a lot.   Based on today\'s mile.

Hard to fathom how disgusting the European milers ran.   Horrific and awful all the way through the race

Still expect golden horn to jog, but have to admit the milers running that awful has me questioning it

Rob

[Furious Pete]

Cali runners ain\'t running that bad..

[TGJB]

They\'re running what they run. But when they\'re not going to California shipping cold to hot, so do NY horses.

Were you the guy who told me the Euro figures were too slow?

[Furious Pete]

No. I actually said I trusted them. I was the one that told you your figures on Fioretti, Greenpointscrusader, Tourist and Stonetastic were wrong. I also was wrong about Tepin.

[TGJB]

You do get the thing about tops and bouncing, right? Two of those I said in the seminar figured to bounce, though that still gave Stonetastic a shot.

If you can rephrase those questions you asked without the suppositions built into them, ask them again late in the week. (As in, how did you come up with that figure, instead of since you came up with that figure this way). A few at a time, not all at once.

[Furious Pete]

I won\'t bother to write it again because you didn\'t like the phrasings, I put what I\'d like to discuss out there and if noone cares that\'s okay too.

I think it\'s impossible that Stonetastic ran a neg 6, she might well have topped and even ran negative but no way josé a neg 6.

[TGJB]

Good to know.

[TGJB]

By the way, Miff posted on just this situation, below, and he\'s right. Some horses jump to a figure they never get back to. If it\'s a big top and they run bad it doesn\'t mean the figure was wrong-- you have to look at all the horses in the race, what they ran and what they do after.

Last year after she ran the big one at Saratoga, Stonetastic didn\'t come close to it again until this year at Parx. Was the Saratoga figure wrong? Did it become right again last time?

[Furious Pete]

If you really want my answers to those points you should be more interested in looking at the points I made in my post INQUIRY which I spent 3 hours of my life to formulate. I have great respect for Thoro-graph and your work and you as I person but I do think it\'s a bit annoying that you always go in the defense instead of engaging in constructive discussions, because you could actually still do even better. Blaming bounces, steroids and lasix everytime your figures don\'t hold up just don\'t seem very constructive.

[TGJB]

Just to choose one example of why I didn\'t answer (aside from there being what, 40 questions in one post?), one of the questions assumed I made the Travers figure by pairing AP and Frosted to their tops. As a factual matter I did not. But to deal with all the stuff like that I would have to unpack the assumptions from each of the 40 questions.

Again-- if you want to try to get to the same issues without making the assumptions, ask away.