Win Star Rabbit

[TheBull]

I have no knowledge of those other trainers but as far as Chad Brown goes, I have it on pretty good authority (jocks and agents who have ridden for him) that the ONLY thing Chad cares about is saving ground. Those are your instructions....He doesnt care what you do but save ground, and he doesnt get mad at you. Thats all he wants. If you dont get thru, so be it. Irad and JJ have lost a bunch for him saving ground and getting stopped, and Im telling you he does not get mad at that. It makes sense. Save it for another day as opposed to wasting an effort by going wide and losing, an effort you probably wont get again next time....I assume that is the thinking.

[Tavasco]

Hey Ritchie, was sorry to see Guns Loaded ran out of ammunition after the 1st quarter mile. Further concerned when his price went up to 8.80/1. Supposing you couldn\'t lay off and hoping you did.

Fortunately, with my hours and age I cat napped about that time, saved money didn\'t see Mario\'s ride. I\'ll be looking forward to Forever Unbridled\'s next race. Spah... my last visit was 1994 (I think) dragged  a gal up there on a second date for a weekend was so magical took me 10 years to wriggle out of the relationship.

[richiebee]

As I posted, Guns Loaded, due to the fact that he was slower and an unproven
quantity away from the Hillside, would need to have crept up to double digit odds
for me to have pulled the trigger.

Congrats to Patricia Generazio, owner of the $875 exacta...

[jbelfior]

Give Ironicus the same post/trip as Flintshire and vice-versa and tell me who wins the race.


Good Luck,
Joe B

[jimbo66]

Joe b.

Flintshire best him with a worse post. Not sure what point u are making.

I love to toss favorites.   Often been accusing of stupidly \"attacking King Kong\" at the track

There are going to be a whole lot better favorites to attack than Flintshire this summer.

Good luck

Jim

[johnnym]

Watch the Brooklyn replay exact same trip as the Belmont from Rosario.
One got thru the other not a to good.

[richiebee]

Hey Joe:

I saw it a little differently.

In my opinion, add 5 pounds of lead to Flinty, take 5 pounds of lead off
Ironicus, give Ironicus a perfect trip, and...

Flintshire still wins. Look at the hold JCastellano had on this horse early in
the race; look at how kindly the horse is responding to being rated.

Question is whether he goes for a repeat in Sword Dancer, or faces a tougher
bunch in Arlington Million. Short prices aren\'t sexy, but this is an elite
performer.

[jbelfior]

Jim:
My point was that Ironicus, with an inside trip, had to wait at the top of the stretch and checked while full of run in the lane when World Approval bore in. Although Flintshire was wider he never had to wait nor lose momentum.

The example was in response to the debate around saving ground. I agree with that for dirt racing however assuming their numbers stack up, I\'ll play the outside drawn horses versus inside all day long on the turf.

Good Luck,
Joe B

[NormandyInvasion]

Is there any doubt that with all being equal the best route is the shortest?  But all isn\'t equal.  Inside can be a bad path.  A horse can be boxed in.  A horse may not be able to stride out.  He may have his momentum checked.  And a point that few away from the barn are aware of, a good number of horses don\'t like to be inside.

So an inside trip or an outside trip can be the best trip for that horse, in that race, on that day.  It\'s not automatically worse to have the wider trip.

[Ace]

It seems to me that at Churchill Downs on the first Saturday in May saving ground is not a recipe for success. Not since Super Saver and Mind That Bird has a winner gone 1w1w.  I\'ve bet horses with good number power who saved ground but got passed in the stretch by horses rallying wide. The rail in the Derby has seemed dead for several years.

[johnnym]

Pretty sure Street Sense was a 1W as well.
What do all 3 of those horses have in common?

[sekrah]

Flintshire beats Ironicus 95/100 times on Saturday.

[Otis Bones]

Strategy vs tactics.  Saving ground is a good strategy in general except when a given race dictates differently.  Racing wide Rosario may have sacrificed a few lengths on average but he also protected his rides from faulty in-race decision making.

[Chas04]

100 out of 100

[sekrah]

You\'re right. I probably I gave too many % pts to the possibility of Flintshire getting wiped out at the gate and Castellano falling off the horse.