Grasshopper

[Sandie]

thnx, TGJB.  I will check them out thoroughly, and anticipate coming back and joining in on this site\'s discussions when my \"knowledge\" is up to par !! With hopes around the BC time.  Might be a powerhouse of info by then !!  

Sandie

[girly]

Iron Horse Wrote:
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> Back to the original question, anybody know what
> kind of numbers he and Street Sense received for
> the Travers?


I found this on NTRA website- Is this what you need?


Eclipse Divisional Leaders
Breeders\' Cup World Championships Leaders

 EQUIBASE® SPEED FIGURE LEADERS LISTS 2007


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3-Year-Old Male

 
Horse  Race  Track  Date  
 

Grasshopper     Travers S.     Saratoga     08/25/2007 119

 
Street Sense     Travers S.     Saratoga     08/25/2007 120
 

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbELeaders.cfm?STYLE=NTRA&YEAR=2007#3M

[TGJB]

I think you should check out the rest of THIS website, particularly the part with the introductory materials for Thoro-Graph.

[Sandie]

I think that\'s the Beyer speed figure listed on equibase that was referenced, which is different than the speed figure here. When it comes to sticking with this website, will do that TGJB.  Felt a little intimidated on here, its why I wanted to scurry off and learn more.  But much can be found at Thoro-Graph and I think the INTRO will help me much.  If I have questions I call the main office and bug everyone there, instead of clogging up the board.  {That\'s a joke.}  I\'m not a dumb bunny, I\'ll catch on quick and play with you pros soon enough.  Much thnx and happy handicapping !!

Sandie

[richiebee]

In my cynical and suspicious moments, I imagine that \"Girly\" and \"Sandie\" are
agent provocateurs who have circumvented the TG security perimeter and will
provide some comic relief until they are detected.

Who could be behind the TG Board\'s answer to the Pigeon Sisters? I would say
possibilities might be a mischevious Raggie or maybe an inactive TG poster who
feels dismayed over the direction the Board has traveled in recent months.

Or maybe I am just jealous, because as D-Rex pointed out, \"He was #5\" was pure
comic genius.

[girly]

Glad to provide some comic relief!

[P-Dub]

Girly,
That was the funniest line I have seen in a very loooong time.  I laugh out loud when I see that ( accompanied by strange look from the dog).

May I suggest the following:

-Introduction link on the left side of the page.  A lot of good information regarding pattern reads, etc..

-Red Board Room: Dowload a major track (So Cal, NY, Fla), find the charts on equibase, and compare the numbers with where they finished.  

-ROTW: Look at these weekly, read the comments AND look at the numbers, compare with the results.

-Archives link: Again, good info from TGJB.

There is lots of good info if you look around this site. You learn something new everyday you go to the track, we all do.  Good luck.

[richiebee]

PDub and Others:

Assuming Girly is not a well positioned plant, let me say that it is rather
discouraging that everyone is pointing the new shooters to this book or that
(a personal favorite of mine is the \'83 edition of Steven Davidowitz \"Betting
Thoroughbreds\") or this website or that.

Its rather indicative of part of what is currently wrong with racing that no one
is telling the newbies \"GO TO THE RACETRACK\"

[Sandie]

who wrote \"Go to the Racetrack?\"

Girly, every master is at first a disaster: and I speak of myself here, not you. You\'re funny and your enthusiasm is WHAT THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT.

I read some of the intro page last night, and yep, I\'m back in St. Claremont\'s dreaded Trigg class or Physics.  I thought what the %&^$^ while looking at it ??  Though as the web owners point out, it may be hard at first but stick with it.  And I will.  Thnx for the tips on reading materials.  I don\'t want to be told what or who to play, I want to make educated assumptions and dispel those who say, its a horserace, no rhyme or reason behind it. Oh, and I was kidding in the first line.  Hopefully by the BC I\'ll know more than the smaller the number the faster the race.

Sandie

[richiebee]

Sandie:

    I wrote \"GO TO THE RACETRACK\".

    In my last post.

    It is not the title of a book. It is a suggestion as
in \"Go..to..the...racetrack\". As in Belmont Park,
which will be open for business from now until the
weekend before BC.

Richiebee

[girly]

richiebee Wrote:
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> PDub and Others:
>
> Assuming Girly is not a well positioned plant, let
> me say that it is rather
> discouraging that everyone is pointing the new
> shooters to this book or that
> (a personal favorite of mine is the \'83 edition of
> Steven Davidowitz \"Betting
> Thoroughbreds\") or this website or that.
>
> Its rather indicative of part of what is currently
> wrong with racing that no one
> is telling the newbies \"GO TO THE RACETRACK\"

I love the Saratoga track, but do not travel downstate much unless it\'s to see an exhibit or show. Unless you are talking about the amount of knowledge of handicapping in my brain \"plant\" (lol) I can assure you, I am not misrepresenting myself. First it was the Travers. Then over the years the Triple Crown, then Breeders Cup and Dubai- now I\'m hooked, and due to my Christian upraising, living with the thought that I am a sinner headed straight to hell for liking horseracing! I have a very romanticized interest in the sport largly due to this song by Peter Paul & Mary- The song has more impact than the lyrics but here goes:


STEWBALL



Oh Stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
He never drank water, he always drank wine.

His bridle was silver, his mane it was gold.
And the worth of his saddle has never been told.

Oh the fairgrounds were crowded, and Stewball was there
But the betting was heavy on the bay and the mare.

And a-way up yonder, ahead of them all,
Came a-prancin\' and a-dancin\' my noble Stewball.

I bet on the grey mare, I bet on the bay
If I\'d have bet on ol\' Stewball, I\'d be a free man today.

Oh the hoot owl, she hollers, and the turtle dove moans.
I\'m a poor boy in trouble, I\'m a long way from home.

Oh Stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
He never drank water,he always drank wine.

I hope you all ARE smiling, first and foremost, handicapping should be fun-

[girly]

By the way richiebee, I loved that Pigeon sisters crack- I haven\'t thought of that show in years, but it\'s as insightful as you are, and I got a big kick out of it-

[P-Dub]

Richie,

She asked about handicapping and how fun it is. She wants to get better. So if she just shows up at the track, watches some races, she will learn how to handicap??  Your answer was silly.  She obviously is going to the racetrack,she wants to educate herself to handicap better.

Ever been to a baseball game with someone who has never been before. I\'m sure we both have. They don\'t know about balls and strikes, runs, hits, etc...  Its not until someone explains things to them that they start to understand the nuances of the sport.  Do you really think that a baseball newbie will understand the sport just by showing up?? Give me a break.

She found her way to this board, so that\'s encouraging. Most of us are aware of the value in using TG. Wouldn\'t it then make sense to direct her to places where she may better understand how to use them??  

What discourages many people from racing is the abundance of information, getting confused by it all, and then finally wondering why bother.  Its easier to pull a handle, push a button, or see a flop and hope to get lucky.

Learning to use TG on even a beginners level gives someone a fighting chance, shows them success can be attained without having been in the game for decades, and hopefully encourage them to pick up on the other parts of the game which will further their education and success.

[richiebee]

Paul:

    If I said \"GO TO THE MOON\" to someone who sought to improve their knowledge
of the moon, that would have been \"silly\".

    The advantages of regular or irregular attendance at live racing are much
too numerous to chronicle here, preparing as I am for a live appearance at
Belmont tomorrow.

    The TG information is every bit as effective as you say it is (that was
quite an endorsement). I have found, however, that live attendance gives one
the opportunity to gather information which I will characterize as \"subjective\".
An example of this is to see a runner encountering trouble which one or all of
the track observers has missed, or to see a runner (and not necessarily a
winning one) who can not be pulled up by its jockey even after a strong 1/2
mile gallop out past the wire. The collection and proper utilization of such
subjective information usually presents good value because it is not
necessarily incorporated in any performance figure and sometimes missed in TG
and or DRF comments on a race.

    Your response almost implies that a handicapper can not bring their TGs to
the track; being at the track and utilizing TG information are not mutually
exclusive. TGs are SOLD at the entrance gate, not confiscated.

    Being live on location gives a handicapper/racing fan a chance to watch the
races through binoculars, which is (my opinion) far superior (much more
educational) to watching races on any monitor. And if one is live at the races,
you are prevented from seeing TVG programming, a known source of misinformation,
whether it be concerning track conditions or late scratches or the utterances of
poorly qualified on air \"personalities\".

    I must dispute your \"overabundance\" of information line of thought. I do
not think that there can ever be an overabundance of information; the challenge
is to be able to effectively collect, compartmentalize and eventually analyze
all available information towards a profitable result.

    It is too bad if it is true that the \"pushers, pullers and floppers\" have
abandoned the racing game for the casino, because I think all of us appreciated
having the uninformed and unprepared money in the mutuel pools.

[stillinger]

richiebee Wrote:
>
>     Being live on location gives a
> handicapper/racing fan a chance to watch the
> races through binoculars, which is (my opinion)
> far superior (much more
> educational) to watching races on any monitor. And
> if one is live at the races,
> you are prevented from seeing TVG programming, a
> known source of misinformation,
> whether it be concerning track conditions or late
> scratches or the utterances of
> poorly qualified on air \"personalities\".
>
>     I must dispute your \"overabundance\" of
> information line of thought. I do
> not think that there can ever be an overabundance
> of information; the challenge
> is to be able to effectively collect,
> compartmentalize and eventually analyze
> all available information towards a profitable
> result.
>
>     It is too bad if it is true that the \"pushers,
> pullers and floppers\" have
> abandoned the racing game for the casino, because
> I think all of us appreciated
> having the uninformed and unprepared money in the
> mutuel pools.

Sometimes, a person just needs to shout, AMEN.