Pyro-Mania

[Silver Charm]

Another rendition of it tomorrow. The horse who is already anointed the Derby, the Triple Crown, and the Breeders Cup Classic will put on another exhibition for all his followers.

The line does look good. Developed a lot at two but not too much. Ran pretty fast in his last so he could be sitting on a big one for tomorrow. But why tomorrow and not in 8 weeks and does he really need one?

I would prefer to see one of two things out this horse.

1.) Can he show some tactical speed?
2.) Can he run on the turn?

We know he can run in the stretch, and we know he can come from out of the clouds. But that doesn\'t work real good on the first Saturday in May.

Not when the guy you got to beat is running clear and free......

[Flighted Iron]

SC,

  Don\'t know about triple crown and safe 2 say if his stablemate stays healthy
no breeder\'s cup classic either,but the derby is setting up very nicely for him.

 Probably doesn\'t need to show tactical speed and safe to say he can run on the turn.

I think for WP\'s sake he HAS to be free on the lead.We know how good Pyro is at running past horses(even against a bias),but I\'m curious what\'s going to happen
when WP gets hooked for a mile?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Ran pretty fast in his last so
> he could be sitting on a big one for tomorrow.

You really think he ran fast last? Man, I don\'t see it. They crawled early and he looks to have been in with horses he could pick up the pieces with late. This track can play to his pace preference, but he\'s in with tougher horses this time too.

I\'m not looking at TFigs, but I sure don\'t put that Risen Star on a par with the Breeders Cup Juvenile.

For that matter, I don\'t put the Breeders Cup Juvenile on a par with the Breeders Cup Juvenile.

> horse.
>
> 1.) Can he show some tactical speed?
> 2.) Can he run on the turn?
>
> We know he can run in the stretch, and we know he
> can come from out of the clouds. But that doesn\'t
> work real good on the first Saturday in May.

It works for horses good enough to do it. But it may not work for a one timer that may not even really be a one timer.

[Silver Charm]

CtC

You remind me of Jesse Jackson
You talk real good but no one ever knows what you are saying

1Iron,

You know Pyro has tactical speed and you know he can run on the rail or through taffic on the turn and you  know  War Pass can\'t throw down a 1:35 mile and finish.

Interesting

[Flighted Iron]

Chuckles,

 Sometimes good horses only have to run as fast as they need? Pyro\'s last race
was a mere workout.Galloped the first part and was allowed to run the last 1/4.All
without much help from rider.I understand there are doubts,but all questions will
be answered come May.


You\'re seriously doubting last years BC juvenile? How many horses closed significant ground in that
quagmire? 1.Curlin,2.Midnight Lute,and yes,PYRO! Not bad company? Heck,Curlin
had the good fortune of the track drying a bit.It\'s ok that you don\'t see how good this horse is.I\'ve seen countless handicappers and horsemen alike doubt a good thing when
it was only inches from there eyes.I can only hope War Pass romps in his next 2 starts and there are hundreds of thousands  more like you thinking similarly.

[Flighted Iron]

SC,

I like the 1 iron reference.How\'d you know I carry a chicken stick?Well anyways,I don\'t know if Pyro has tactical speed and quite honestly I don\'t think he\'ll need
it to roll by this bunch.Now,yes I really like War Pass.Any young horse that throws
down fractions like that and keeps rolling MUST be respected.However,aside from the
BC juvenile he\'s never been 2 turns.His action was a bit wingy in his last start and
I\'m questioning his ability at 1 1/4 with the possibility of dragging horses on the
front end for a mile.I\'d be highly surprised to see him get loose in Kentucky.

[Dana666]

I\'m not sold Pyro is ALL THAT. We\'ll see, I guess. I don\'t think this is a particularly strong race either. I think Tale of Ekati is the classy one, but whether he can be ready for 2 turns off a layoff is a huge question mark. I still may take a swing with him. J Be K is smooth as silk and bred to do his best around a mile or so, and he may take these a long way. Majestic Warrior showed a decent turn of foot in Saratoga, but that was a long time ago indeed.

[Flighted Iron]

D,

 I\'m ecstatic that you\'re not SOLD.Please take a big swing at that o so classy
horse of yours.The DRF is evidence enough of how sub-par this horse is,but if
that doesn\'t convince take a gander at his string of 5\'s.As a bettor it\'s ill
advised.There are better prices with equal figs.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Flighted Iron Wrote:
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> Chuckles,
>
>  Sometimes good horses only have to run as fast as
> they need? Pyro\'s last race
> was a mere workout.Galloped the first part and was
> allowed to run the last 1/4.All
> without much help from rider.I understand there
> are doubts,but all questions will
> be answered come May.


I\'m not altogether certain that some of the questions may not be answered Saturday.


>
>
> You\'re seriously doubting last years BC juvenile?
> How many horses closed significant ground in that
> quagmire? 1.Curlin,2.Midnight Lute,and yes,PYRO!
> Not bad company? Heck,Curlin
> had the good fortune of the track drying a
> bit.It\'s ok that you don\'t see how good this horse
> is.

Breeders Cup Day figures may not be a true bill. Some horses ran, many did not. A very hard day to make cross referencing numbers.

I\'ve seen countless handicappers and horsemen
> alike doubt a good thing when
> it was only inches from there eyes.I can only hope
> War Pass romps in his next 2 starts and there are
> hundreds of thousands  more like you thinking
> similarly.

I haven\'t made a comment upon War Pass. He\'s not running Saturday so I\'ll reserve commentary for at least another week. But I really think his penultimate Derby test will be the basis for any commentary.

[Silver Charm]

1iron he earned his stripes today.

War Pass better hold his serve.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Only problem is Pyro isn\'t running numbers up to the fillies.

Either the fillies are special or the colts are not.

At this point, Proud Spell looks like she belongs.


Silver Charm Wrote:
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> 1iron he earned his stripes today.
>
> War Pass better hold his serve.

[Flighted Iron]

SC,

Ironically enough,I wasn\'t overly impressed with his performance.I doubt if
he moved forward,but that could actually be a good thing.In his defense he did
show that he\'s fairly versatile.

[Silver Charm]

If he did not move forward then that would be an interesting development or non-development in our world. Right?

Probably did move forward a little Beyer-wise. Hey to CtC\'s point they finally ran as fast as the fillies. Sheet wise I would expect to see a little movement, not a lot but a little. The reason being nobody can say the horse did not run yesterday. Unlike the last race where people were only visually perceiving a fan-out run for an eighth of a mile move, yesterday he was in full flight throughout.  

Which does raise the question of who is he beating and how good is he? Go back and look at the margin from 2nd to 3rd in last years BC Juvy and there may be your answer.

He and War Pass are beating who they need to beat, beating them easily, and that is all the matters.

[Flighted Iron]

SC,

Good points throughout,but I feel he was compromised from the 5/16\'s pole to the
1/8 pole.With that said,his finishing speed was acceptable.
 With the exception of WP and Pyro has anyone in this bunch run neg figs over a distance of ground? I think it\'s fair to say both these individuals are being
handled to work back to their best efforts for Kentucky.I like to believe that
and in light of what they\'re pursuing it\'s not irrational to presume.Time will tell.

[TGJB]

I say this every year--

You guys do realize it\'s March, not May, right?

Think Asmussen does?