Moss Advocates Changing Triple Crown Spacing

[Silver Charm]

Pretty good story. He covered a lot of bases and did his homework. Saying he once was someone who did not like the idea of changing the Triple Crown he now is.

The Woody Stephens comments on the decline in the quality of the breed. For all of you Synthetic lovers this is just a band-aid until the breed declines even further and the synthetic statistics for breakdowns are worse than the dirt ever were.  


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown08/columns/story?id=3387061

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Well, what do you expect from a guy that bet Visionaire in the Derby. Shouldn\'t that be evidence enough he has no idea what he\'s talking about?

To alter the spacing of the races, merely encourages the ill-breds. Heck, give them 3 months between races and a 4 race career. The biggest problem in the game are the \"enablers\". Moss has become one of them. He can\'t handicap to save his life and now he can\'t think his way out of a room without walls. Moss lost his head this time or his \"egg\" got fried from being out in the sun too long without a hat.  

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Pretty good story. He covered a lot of bases and
> did his homework. Saying he once was someone who
> did not like the idea of changing the Triple Crown
> he now is.
>
> The Woody Stephens comments on the decline in the
> quality of the breed. For all of you Synthetic
> lovers this is just a band-aid until the breed
> declines even further and the synthetic statistics
> for breakdowns are worse than the dirt ever were.
>
>
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown
> 08/columns/story?id=3387061

[jma11473]

I wasn\'t sure about this idea, but the fact that Chuckles is against it makes me think that Moss is on to something...

[fasteddie]

....as a \"traditionalist,\" I never wanted the spacing messed with; however, with todays \"nutrition\" and other advances, horses are running to the edge of their limits. The skeletal structure cannot sustain this punishment without sufficient time to recover. As with human athletes, gone are the days of 4-man pitching rotations where 250 innings was the norm, and the stars like Steve Carlton would pitch 330+ innings, with velocity and durability!

I used to disagree with JB when he said horses are getting faster,etc...because I couldn\'t see significant \"raw\" time shifts... not any more.

Do the TC as follows:

Derby...1st Sat in May
Preakness...Memorial Day
Belmont...4th of July

Tie America\'s tradition to the holidays!

[Silver Charm]

That still will not stop some people from having their clients run their horses every three weeks while prepping for the Derby. But it is a start.

Moss as I said did a good job. The guy is the luckiest man alive getting to work next to Jeanine Edwards. He went an entire story without barking \"Trained by Bob Baffert\" even once. So his therapy must be working.

[fkach]

I just saw a video that suggested that the latest studies indicate that the breed hasn\'t changed at all.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?videoId=96901&sMPlaylistID=

[Flighted Iron]

Silver,

  Good article and some interesting points.I was a bit perplexed with Moss
saying only 1 horse was \"capable\" of running in the preakness and BB was
JUST partly responsible for this.  I\'d venture Dr. Bramlage had more to say
than \"horse racing is in a crisis\".



http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=8280476

I don\'t know how to send this as a link. Bramlage has some very interesting
things to say aside from just \"crisis\".

[miff]

The whole thing is the typical knee jerk reaction by the animal loons and those possessing little knowledge of the facts and statistics.Most thoroughbreds are treated better than some people in this country.There is nothing wrong with the Triple Crown spacing, there is obviously something wrong with the breed on the whole.

Owners/buyers want speed and that\'s what the breeders are giving them.Any breeder who attempts to breed soundness without producing speed will go broke in a New York minute.

The breeding thing could take at least a generation to resolve and there will still be breakdowns thereafter.

Mike

[jmetro]

fasteddie Wrote:
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> ....as a \"traditionalist,\" I never wanted the
> spacing messed with; however, with todays
> \"nutrition\" and other advances, horses are running
> to the edge of their limits. The skeletal
> structure cannot sustain this punishment without
> sufficient time to recover. As with human
> athletes, gone are the days of 4-man pitching
> rotations where 250 innings was the norm, and the
> stars like Steve Carlton would pitch 330+ innings,
> with velocity and durability!
>
> I used to disagree with JB when he said horses are
> getting faster,etc...because I couldn\'t see
> significant \"raw\" time shifts... not any more.
>
> Do the TC as follows:
>
> Derby...1st Sat in May
> Preakness...Memorial Day
> Belmont...4th of July
>
> Tie America\'s tradition to the holidays!

Would seem logical with the spacing but I would just shoot for the Saturday\'s near those holidays and not the holiday itself.  Indy 500 is on Memorial Day and July 4th would fall on a weekday 5 out of 7 times.

[sekrah]

jmetro Wrote:
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> Would seem logical with the spacing but I would
> just shoot for the Saturday\'s near those holidays
> and not the holiday itself.  Indy 500 is on
> Memorial Day and July 4th would fall on a weekday
> 5 out of 7 times.

First Saturday in May, First Saturday in June, First Saturday in July?

[rosewood]

Everybody is jumping overboard like a bunch of drownding rats.

Why not have the Derby one year, the Preakness the next year , etc,etc.

Not a damn word about the problem.

What a bunch of bulls@@t

[P-Dub]

Indy 500 is on the Sunday before Memorial Day.

> Do the TC as follows:
>
> Derby...1st Sat in May
> Preakness...Memorial Day
> Belmont...4th of July
>
> Tie America\'s tradition to the holidays!

I like this idea. So what if the 4th is during the week,  its a national holiday and can be tied into the promotion.

[fasteddie]

The PROBLEM??? are you kidding? We all know we are one nationally televised leg-snap from sending the sport off a cliff! Had the filly won the Derby, all would be lost!

Racing will become a marginal sport if we don\'t get our act together; UNIFIED rules and enforcement controlled by a NATIONAL organization. Otherwise, it ends up like boxing, with it\'s 1/2 dozen sanctioning bodies and \"champions\"!

[Silver Charm]

If everyone Moss mentioned in the story took a position on a sole governing body for racing then some good things could be done.

[TGJB]

There is a movement afoot which is not exactly that, but related. I\'ll have more if it actually takes shape and becomes public.