The Big Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Lost Cause]

HP Wrote:
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> Lost - if YOU were in the middle of a race against
> ME and I was winning by a block and before I got
> to the finish line I started celebrating and
> waving to the crowd you wouldn\'t find that
> insulting?  Doesn\'t make any difference if we\'re
> on horses, does it?  The fact that \"lots of people
> love it\" doesn\'t make it good.  
>
> HP


Not really, I see what you\'re both saying and I understand the whole good sprtsmanship thing but it does not apply here, it\'s not like he\'s pointing at the horses behind him and giving them the finger or saying hah..you suck..he is pointing at his horse and saying this is the #1 horse..

[P-Dub]

Lost,

Its still lame. What would you think if every jockey started doing this??

Everybody thought T.O.\'s sharpie thing was cute. Now every clown in the league does some idiotic endzone clebration. Chad Ocho has taken it to ridiculous levels. Its now common for people to celebrate 1st downs, tackles for a 4 yd gain, slam dunks when down by 10, and stare at a HR when down by 5.

We can see she\'s special, and we can see others that are great.  We don\'t need these guys yucking it up during the race. This goofball takes it a whole new level.Its ridiculous.

[magicnight]

\"... if there was another speed to keep Rachel company at 1 1/8 or longer.\"

That\'s a pretty big if at this point, eh Lost?

[big18741]

Actually Zenyatta got her last 5/16th\'s in 28.28.

She was motoring home.Physically impossible for her to win by more than she did considering the pace and her position after 6f\'s.I guess Smith was comfortable being only two lengths back of Life Is Sweet-figuring that was his only competition.Still,Zenyatta outkicked that one by 6+ lengths thru the final 5/16ths.Awesome late run when she hits top gear.

[MonmouthGuy]

If fast horses like Munnings and Big Drama couldn\'t keep her busy enough front to set her up for Classic distance winners like Mine That Bird and Summer Bird, I would like you to name the filly in training that could step into that role.

[Lost Cause]

magicnight Wrote:
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>
> That\'s a pretty big if at this point, eh Lost?


Gigantic If actually..
Don\'t get me wrong..I was looking at it from a betting standpoint with hypothetical 5/1 odds on Zenyatta and a horse to keep Rachel company.  If they were both 1/1 in a match race I take Rachel hands down up to 1 1/8.  
At 1 1/8 and over on a non biased track I start looking at Zenyatta a little more favorably.  When she starts gaining momentum it\'s a thing of beauty..

[Lost Cause]

MonmouthGuy Wrote:
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> If fast horses like Munnings and Big Drama
> couldn\'t keep her busy enough front to set her up
> for Classic distance winners like Mine That Bird
> and Summer Bird, I would like you to name the
> filly in training that could step into that role.

I have no answers for that one..

Can we unretire Pine tree lane and Safely kept for the hypothetical race..

[magicnight]

Understood. Right now I think the only horse that might be able to give her a tussle all the way around an oval would be Quality Road. Which makes me think that\'s another reason why she passes the Travers and goes in the Woodward.

[Lost Cause]

magicnight Wrote:
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> Understood. Right now I think the only horse that
> might be able to give her a tussle all the way
> around an oval would be Quality Road. Which makes
> me think that\'s another reason why she passes the
> Travers and goes in the Woodward.

I agree with you on the reason to pass the Travers.  If they did run her in that spot I would give themn all the credit in the world for ducking nobody.
Soem rumors around that they were going to do the PA derby..Nothing concrete just some thing i\'m hearing..

[sekrah]

Wow..  You are one bitter person.

[Flighted Iron]

Wasn\'t trying to answer before the Smith bashing. Just stating the difference between a jockey who has been there before, and one who is experiencing his first real taste of national attention/success.

I doubt Smith acted that way when he first became successful. Its no different than these clowns that stare at home runs, or celebrate every tackle/catch/ first down, TD in football.

Some have class, some don\'t.

P Dub,

 Have you forgotten his victories aboard Street Sense,especially the somewhat
noteworthy ride in the Derby(s).Silver Charm makes slight critic of Zenyatta and you
wheel off in another direction and bash Mr Borel.I suppose Tiger is an idiot when
he fist pumps with emotion when he pours one in for the win?However,I agree with
you regarding the interest Z creates at the track and all the buzz.It certainly
is good for the sport.Just hoping for a dirt showdown tween Z and Rachel.

Take it light
With Respect,

mjs

[P-Dub]

You think so?? I\'m the bitter one.

How is that?? Because I don\'t like show boating??

You\'ve got people dismissing an undefeated champion, and I\'m the bitter one.

Beautiful.

[P-Dub]

> Wasn\'t trying to answer before the Smith bashing.
> Just stating the difference between a jockey who
> has been there before, and one who is experiencing
> his first real taste of national
> attention/success.
>
> I doubt Smith acted that way when he first became
> successful. Its no different than these clowns
> that stare at home runs, or celebrate every
> tackle/catch/ first down, TD in football.
>
> Some have class, some don\'t.
>
> P Dub,
>
>  Have you forgotten his victories aboard Street
> Sense,especially the somewhat
> noteworthy ride in the Derby(s).Silver Charm makes
> slight critic of Zenyatta and you
> wheel off in another direction and bash Mr Borel.I
> suppose Tiger is an idiot when
> he fist pumps with emotion when he pours one in
> for the win?However,I agree with
> you regarding the interest Z creates at the track
> and all the buzz.It certainly
> is good for the sport.Just hoping for a dirt
> showdown tween Z and Rachel.
>
> Take it light
> With Respect,
>
> mjs

MJS,

Haven\'t forgotten those. Those were great rides. I don\'t believe I have ever criticized his riding ability. I\'ve never been a fan of showboating in any sport. Tiger giving a fist pump and Borel doing his thing are 2 completely different things. Tiger isn\'t wagging his finger at the other players, pointing at himself, or otherwise celebrating himself. He\'s doing it in the midst of competition.  Now if Borel wants to pump his fist after the wire or do whatever to celebrate after the race, more power to him. I\'ve never seen Tiger walk up the fairway on the 18th, tournament in hand, and start to wag his finger or celebrate himself in any way. I\'m sure its pretty exciting to ride a horse like her, and I probably was too harsh in my description. But to me, it comes off as weak. Just my opinion. Tiger wins or loses based 100% on his performance, hard to say the same about a jockey.

Slight critic?? You have got to be kidding. This guy has been bashing the horse and connections for the better part of 2 months. To say he is a \"slight critic\" would be the same as saying Sean Hannity is a \"slight critic\" of President Obama.

Here\'s hoping for a dirt showdown at some point. Appreciate your point of view.

[jma11473]

It\'s funny how you complain about racing not being able to attract any new fans, yet you bitch and moan in endless posts about Borel showing the exact same personality and enthusiasm that draws people to respond to competitors in other mainstream sports---either to cheer OR boo. An allegedly \"smart\" racing fan like you hates Borel for what reason? Oh yeah, he raised his finger at the finish line to say his horse was #1. Glad you aren\'t in charge of golf or you\'d be telling Tiger to shut up and stop pumping his fist, or...well, there are only a million other examples. We wouldn\'t want to show fans we have living, breathing people competing out there.

[HP]

JMA these are some good points...people do go to cheer AND boo.  It\'s pretty subjective but I am just the type of fan that will boo the celebrating thing every time.  I always thought it was cooler to catch the TD pass and just flip it to the ref.  You\'re SUPPOSED to catch the ball.  It\'s not a miracle.  You can spike it in the Super Bowl.  

I\'m a Mets fan and it\'s been hard to root for them because you have a lot of guys on the team (some of them are hurt now) that do these elaborate celebrations and dances when they hit a solo home run losing 5-1.  That\'s why down the stretch the teams like the Nats and Marlins get up to knock them down a peg.  

On a slight tangent I heard on the radio drive home yesterday that a few golfers were complaining that the PGA has different standards for Tiger Woods.  Apparently they do cite golfers for doing certain things - like throwing your clubs or cursing...and Tiger does this without getting any such citings from the PGA.  And yeah I think he looks stupid with the fist pump thing.  

HP