First Dude off a New Top

[Leamas57]

You can have Biofuel.

Leamas

[jbelfior]

Richie:

You forgot Ruffian.

Unfortunately those days are over. Like many other things in the world, horse racing has slowly degenerated over the last 30 years.

Jerry claims horses are faster than they were back in the 70\'s. Maybe so. But IMO, Ruffian would have left Zenyatta in the dust and Lookin at Lucky would not qualify as a workmate for Spectacular Bid.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[nyc1347]

Richiebee said:

> I get a little prickly when folks feel the need to
> have a superhorse each year.
> I was dismayed to hear NYC call Ghostzapper,
> Smarty and Big Brown \"freaks\". They
> were fast horses with very short shelf lives.



SHORT lived Richiebee because they were FREAK horses.. they ran in ranges of negative 3s to 6.5s at there prime!  Before Midnight Lute and Quality Road came along to run Negative 7s GZ was the fastest horse of all time anad the above listed as well as others I havent mentioned were just a couple points off from that level.  Horses never ran that fast back when Forego, etc. were running and were able to come back to run off short rest with no problems.  I do respect those horses though cause they were hard hitting and ran amazing for their respective fields so I understand the prickly factor.  

Its just not the same anymore though..The biggest reason was obviously the Sire Fees they were able to charge for these animals when they retired..  $250,000 for Ghostzapper in his first year?!  =O   Id short shelve him if I knew I could get THAT fee!

[magicnight]

I\'m calling a technical foul on you, Richiebee, for failing to say the word \"Alydar\" after using the word \"Affirmed\". We just can\'t have that. We all know there is no Thorograph notation for \"running scared\", but that don\'t mean it don\'t exist.

[P-Dub]

magicnight Wrote:
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> I\'m calling a technical foul on you, Richiebee,
> for failing to say the word \"Alydar\" after using
> the word \"Affirmed\". We just can\'t have that. We
> all know there is no Thorograph notation for
> \"running scared\", but that don\'t mean it don\'t
> exist.


Wow.  A horse that lost 7 out of the 10 races when matched up should be mentioned equally with the one that won 7 times.

Alydar was good, but he wasn\'t the horse that won the Triple Crown.  If winning the Triple Crown doesn\'t distinguish a horse apart from the rest, then why do we bother talking about the Tripe Crown as a great accomplishment??

You can call it running scared or whatever you want. Obviously a talented horse,  but he doesn\'t deserve to be mentioned with a Triple Crown winner.

On what basis would you ever even consider adding Alydar to this list??

[big18741]

nyc1347 Wrote:
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>
> If anyone can post Fly Downs thorograph that be
> awesome!

Don\'t know for sure,but off the top of my head he was in the 7 or 8 range going into the Louisiana Derby so it\'s likely the Dwyer was a pretty significant jump up- and more than First Dude\'s five point top.

At 12f\'s I think pedigree has to be considered and IMO First Dude is better suited for this trip.MTB paired a big Derby top on short rest twice in the Preakness and Belmont.Going back a ways First Dude has a sheet similar to Belmont winners Tabasco Cat and Colonial Affair.They were also coming back on short rest off new tops.I\'m going against the percentages and playing First Dude to pair.

Ice Box fired another sharp 4f work same deal as before the Fla Derby and Ky Derby.He should be fine at the distance although he won\'t get the same pace setup.I give First Dude the tactical advantage and will be playing him on top in tri\'s and supers over IB to hit the board which is very chalky.

Hopefully something longer than Fly Down can hit the board.I\'m liking Uptowncharlybrown a little bit to hit the bottom of the tickets.

[magicnight]

I was joking, Paul. Guilty of PWI.

[TGJB]

It took over 50 posts on the Belmont before someone even mentioned Uptown.

Kerrison made his annual call to me yesterday, the Post will have some general analysis by me of the Belmont and the 3yo crop in the Monday or Tues edition.

[P-Dub]

magicnight Wrote:
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> I was joking, Paul. Guilty of PWI.


LOL......I\'m sorry bro.  You sounded kinda serious. You got me.

[jbelfior]

TGJB:

Why would anyone mention \"Uptown?\".
 

Good Luck,
Joe B.

[big18741]

Joe

He\'s competitive on dirt #\'s.Go to the ROTW archives for the Lexington on April 17th.

I have no idea how he scored in that poly race but he was wide and he had some trouble in the stretch if you watch the race closely.There was repeated bumping with the horse to his inside and he was still able to finish with good energy.

Barn change could also be viewed as a positive.

I\'ve seen worse looking horses hit the bottom of the tri or super in a Belmont.

[nyc1347]

uptown reminds me of Drosselmeyer or a slower Dublin..  wussy horses that cant get things done with ANY trip!  they are scared.. best of the worst..or something along those lines.. and im joking but im not.. its true!  

its like having a basketball team and u need to pick a center.. tim duncan is taken.. do you pick another guard to cover tim duncan? or do you pick shawn bradley (uptowncharlybrown) cause hes \"tall\" and just there?.. i mean you HAVE to pick shawn cause hes just tall, and there and whatever.. THAT is the best way i can explain uptown.. hes the shawn bradley of racehorses.. some days he will run bad or good.. some days he will run great.. BUT he will never win anything THAT big.  hes just a goofy horse that runs for giggles. =)