Another batch of Jerry Cooneys goes down

[alm]

What are you guys smoking?

Ghostzapper?

Cross training?

Eyeballing the competition?

Small intrinsic muscles?

Sounds like World Wrestling Federation.

[P-Dub]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Dana/P-Dub,
>
> I think two points are different here.  I don\'t
> think 3 horses beat her at 1 1/4.  She is too
> consistent at \"running her race\", no matter the
> pace, distance or setup.  This makes her Zenyatta
> IMO.
>
> But I respectfully disagree with your assessment
> of yesterday\'s race.  Despite my pre-race protest
> to not even watch the race, I was home, so I put
> it on.  If you watched it on TVG I don\'t blame you
> for thinking she had so much left, could have won
> by more, etc.etc. Todd Schrupp and company are not
> good (I am being kind with that).

Jimbo, the last people I listen to when making an opinion are those guys. Cmon, you couldn\'t insult me more if you tried.(I know you weren\'t insulting me) When that clown Schrupp is on the set, talking as the horses are walking up to the gate, he talks AD NAUSEUM right up until the gate opens. Its sickening. If anyone has yesterday\'s TVG telecast still on tape check it out. He is speaking as the gates open and then the bell is like a mute button, he stops talking. He does this for EVERY big race. I can\'t stand him.  I have already deleted the TVG show and just kept the DM replay show.

>  Smith got as hard into Zenyatta as I have seen him.  She was
> not pulling away at all the last 1/16th of a mile.
>  Rinterval ran a nice race, but she is a pretty
> common horse.  She at least one level behind a St.
> Trinian\'s. This looked to me to be one of
> Zenyatta\'s worst races.  

Watching again, Smith did get into her.  Maybe the last race took a little out of her. But she did cruise to the lead, plenty wide packing weight into a slow pace. Smith also says she stops running after she makes the lead. She was several paths away from the other horse. I don\'t know.  But that horse wasn\'t getting by.  

 
> If we on this board are going to kill RAchel for
> only beating Queen Martha by 4 lengths, a head win
> over Rinterval can\'t be glorified as a huge win
> either.

I didn\'t kill her over it, and what does that say about RA when she is getting criticized for winning by 4??

 
> To me, both races are emblematic of the same
> bigger point.  When you race nobody in
> non-competitive races, it is hard to quantify the
> performances.

Agree with this.

> This is why both mares should be
> well beyond racing the Rintervals and Queen
> Marthas of the game.  It achieves nothing.

They can\'t shove horses into a trailer and make them race.  These are GR1 races for a lot of money.  If other horses don\'t show up, hard to blame them.

I think it was Richie or Michael, or perhaps both, that made sound points as to why Zenyatta will stay in California and then ship to CD. After re-thinking it makes sense. Ship to NY in October, ship back, then ship again in about a 30 day period. That is a tough thing to do. They Classic is the race, and we will be treated to one of the best Classics ever. This is taking into account the quality of competition and the historical relevance.

Richie was correct, 13 GR 1 wins and 3 BC wins would put her into the stratosphere of all time greats. I think she is already up there, but a win in November will cement her status.

[Leamas57]

Why is it so lame to wait until I see who is entered what kind of form they display. Jerry could certainly find enough runners than can run negative one or faster--which is probably all it will take?

QR with his normal form is one, probably Blame and LAL as well, but the point is that if some of these left their BC race in a summer outing, I am not going to point to them. I will definitely be betting Z to come in no better than third and then also off the board. Can\'t wait, frankly.

Leamas.

[P-Dub]

Leamas57 Wrote:
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> Why is it so lame to wait until I see who is
> entered what kind of form they display. Jerry
> could certainly find enough runners than can run
> negative one or faster--which is probably all it
> will take?
>
> QR with his normal form is one, probably Blame and
> LAL as well, but the point is that if some of
> these left their BC race in a summer outing, I am
> not going to point to them. I will definitely be
> betting Z to come in no better than third and then
> also off the board. Can\'t wait, frankly.
>
> Leamas.


Its lame because you have already declared she won\'t hit the board. You can\'t name 3 horses that will finish in front of her??

What if you look at the entries, look at their \"form\", and then decide....\"hmmmm, I think Zenyatta actually has a shot in here\". (Doubt it because you obviously give her no credit.)

If you need to wait until you see the entries and look at current form, then why don\'t you just wait for that time to come??  Why come here now and blow hot air about how an undefeated horse won\'t hit the board sometime in the future??

You talk about finding horses that can run a -1, how does that method work when synthetic horses, with compressed figures, suddenly move up on dirt?? You are going to compare syn numbers with dirt numbers??

Keep the comedy coming friend.

[Uncle Buck]

Jerry Cooney was a decent heavyweight man! Anyone that could hang with an in-his-prime Larry Holmes for 13 rounds is OK in my book! Bad analogy Leamas. I think you might have been thinking of Andrew Golota:-)

[Boscar Obarra]

I propose we send her to R. Rodriguez for her BC finale.

 Just to lock it up.

[jbelfior]

Rudy the \"test pilot\"  will be out of sight out of mind by then.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[twoshoes]

Jerry Quarry\'s?

[Leamas57]

Come on, PDUB:

The reality is that she probably won\'t even run because the record would die. If they have the guts to run her against the fastest males on dirt, I will give them credit, but my guess is that they will dodge the race for the simple reason that they have a poor risk-reward setup; they risk a legacy in exchange for a small chance at becoming a living avatar of some kind.

What\'s so funny about the likelihood that in a pretty big field of mostly very fast males (and Rachel if her form holds up) that Z gets beat by three horses? Assuming the quality is anthing close to what you expect in such a race, I think its very reasonable. The average top three numbers probably bear this out, too...

You know comedy and tragedy are closely intertwined and my \"comedy\" will be your tragedy if they are dumb enough to send her thinking she can win: your entire worldview will be threatened whereas I will merely shrug and say \"I was wrong.\"

Leamas

[Leamas57]

I am sorry, I was looking for a name from the seventies or eighties that was synonymous with giving a returning a champ an easy victory. Jerry Quarry is probably who I meant. Sorry Cooney fans...

Leamas

[P-Dub]

Wow, comedy and drama.

My \"entire worldview will be threatened\"??  Thats heavy.

Again, you\'re comparing numbers run on 2 different surfaces. Horses often run faster numbers on dirt than their synthetic numbers, Lookin At Lucky being the latest example.

BTW, shes part of the quality you could expect in the race.  You make her sound like a second stringer.

[P-Dub]

Jerry Quarry was one tough SOB. Chuck Wepner would have been a better analogy.

[magicnight]

Wepner, aka the \"Bayonne Bleeder\", yes? Not the best nickname for a fighter.

[smalltimer]

If Zenyatta is healthy she will absolutely run in the Classic.  It shouldn\'t even be a point of discussion.
That race would represent the ultimate challenge for her, if she were fortunate enough to win, it would engrain her as one of the all-time greats.  Period.
In all likelihood, the Classic will be a mix of (assuming they are healthy), horses like Quality Road, Rachel and several other very, very fast 9 furlong horses who are unproven at 10 furlongs.  Same with Blame, he appears to be able to get 10 furlongs, but its still unproven.  With Zenyatta, that question doesn\'t arise, she will get the 10 furlongs and likely will be running the fastest of anyone in the race the last 2 furlongs.  
There has been ZERO intent on Zenyatta running in the Distaff.  If she\'s 19-19 heading into the classic, why would they not take on all comers at 10 furlongs especially since she\'s already proven the distance won\'t beat her, only a faster 10 furlong horse, of which, none currently exist.
Besides, if Rachel\'s connections choose the Distaff, and along comes Life at Ten, Devil May Care, and maybe another real good one, this doesn\'t look like a piece of cake to me.  Surely, Zenyatta\'s people would much rather face Rachel at 10 furlongs than 9 furlongs. I assume Rachel\'s people like their chances against Z at 9 furlongs better than the unknown 10 furlong distance.  
I\'m just hoping all these great animals get to Churchill healthy and on top of their game.  Its gonna be a blast.
I personally feel Rachel\'s best shot is the Distaff, the potential pace scenario in the Classic would be very hard to control and still have something left when the real running started.
Peace out

[Leamas57]

smalltimer Wrote:
.... If she\'s 19-19 heading into the
> classic, why would they not take on all comers at
> 10 furlongs especially since she\'s already proven
> the distance won\'t beat her, only a faster 10
> furlong horse, of which, none currently exist....

Really? And on a fast dirt track? On what do you base that statement?

I think there are two very possible scenarios to emerge here. One is that Z doesn\'t run because they won\'t put her record on the line in the toughest race of her career, and the other is that Rachel uncorks a monster race in the Classic to beat or nearly beat QR, who was not right in his last. BC exacta box  = QR/Rachel

Leamas