Zenyatta

[Badride]

Quality Roads fate was sealed when he entered the race.  Wouldn\'t have mattered where he drew because at his core hes a chicken shit.   He may be fast when hes unmolested and allowed to run HIS race, but you take him out of that game hes a chicken shit.  

The real good horses, the really special ones....They don\'t need a set up, they dont need anything.  They finish running like Zenyatta did, like Blame did.  Im pretty comfortable saying Zenyatta was the best horse in that field, and if they ran the race 10 more times she wins 80 percent of the time.  
that either.

You guys in here are like Lemmings.  Reading this stuff is true comedy.

[sighthound]

>>The real good horses, the really special ones....They don\'t need a set up, they >>dont need anything.

Actually they do need help.  Zenyatta used to be quite a bit of a \"head case\" - she\'d get wound up and freaked out.  She was trained out of it.  It took some time.

Pletcher has done alot of work with QR, he\'s much better.

[Badride]

Im talking about raceshape, not a horses mental state.

[sighthound]

QR\'s race fell apart because he hates being pinned on the rail.  That\'s mental.

[Badride]

I think hes a chicken shit.  He needs things his way.   Any horse can freewheel at GSP and run up the score on a bunch of inferior horses, get some trumped up ridiculous figure, and be the second coming of christ.   When you put a world class horse in the gate, regardless of post, they are supposed to fire a shot.   I understand race complexion.  I understand the rail draw was the absolute worst for him, that being said hes fast enough he shoulda been able to get away and navigate a trip.  If the mile and a quarter gets him, sobeit.  At some point its not all mental, thats the quality of the horse, the class of the horse.   Why speed figures are a secondary form of handicapping IMO.

[MonmouthGuy]

Maybe a race or two on dirt this year behind real horses would have helped her out.

[MonmouthGuy]

Then she was an overlay! She should have been 2-5!!!!



Badride Wrote:
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> Im pretty comfortable saying
> Zenyatta was the best horse in that field, and if
> they ran the race 10 more times she wins 80
> percent of the time.  
> that either.
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[Badride]

I have never been able to beat against her because I know shes the best, and never with her because I know its a matter of time before that pinhead gets her beat.   Amazing it took him 20 races to do it, wanna talk about great.  If you can overcome some of the butcher jobs hes tried to give, lawd have mercy.

[Boscar Obarra]

badride, some here think that if they make a horse 20-1 and it gets beat a head, they were right.

[martoon]

i didn\'t think QR was pinned on the rail in the classic sense, by a wall of horses.  
In fact there were two horses in paths inside him right in back of him, so he wasn\'t even rail skimming at the start. If it was another horse, they might have called it a perfect stalking ground saving  trip up the back side. I thought he looked uncomfortable but he certainly wasn\'t pinned.  I didn\'t think he would run a good one, but he got out of there to the front set without bring pinned.  I was surprised he didn\'t gas to a clear lead because it was there for him. Either way, finishing last was pitiful.

[Badride]

Ive seen some pretty entertaining stuff here.  From these seminars to the Zenyatta bashing, to these guys falling off a mountain like Lemmings.   Yeah....She got beat a nose.   The Seminar said, or so I read, that shes suposed to run off the board.   THe only reason she doesn\'t win is because of the potato sack on her back.   Shes probably 3 the best in there.  Her 112 beyer is an injustice, but so were her prerace thorographs.  You don\'t gauge a horse like that on a figure.  If you cannot tell thats a special animal....Fellas go play cricket

[martoon]

Z\'s trip looked like all her other trips.  She was way back, but she always is.  Once she broke in the clear everyone thought she was going to win and she had no excuses from there, but Blame just outfought her in the last 100 yards.

[martoon]

Looked like it.  Can\'t blame it all on the path.

[Badride]

Her trip was brutal.  She was pinched back by Ramsey\'s crow.  Smith took her way too far back early, you cannot spot those kinda horses 25 and expect to win.  She was 2-1 on blame the last 150 yards.   She absolutely ran her eyeballs out, was absolutely the best.  If you give blame her starting spot he doesn\'t get a sniff.   He was game to hold her off, Gomez rode his ass off, Gomez carried that horse home.   Not to say Blame isn\'t an exceptional horse.  However the better jock won today, not the better animal

[Badride]

Hes just a very one deminsional horse.  When Blame rolled up to him he just pinned those ears.  He wasn\'t going to fight with him.  Another 16th Blame woulda ran off and hid.  That was all I needed to see to X that horse out.  YOu know who he peaked and then tailed off like.....A lot like Lawyer Ron, another Pletcher who ran those gawdy figs and then looked like a shytsandwich