Zenyatta

[Michael D.]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Big Drama was able to clear and quickly get far
> off the rail-- watch the replay. He could gun
> because he was sprinting. QR was pinned, couldn\'t
> get off it unless he was willing to go 22 and
> change to clear, going 1 1/4 (they went 23 1/5).
> He had no chance at all. That\'s not to say he
> would have won otherwise, just that we have no way
> of knowing because of what happened.


Blame all but inhaled QR in the same path. Passed by a path wider, but the damage was done.

QR was a dead piece. His chances of getting 10f were slim to none. His last 1/8 at the Spa told you that.

Nice job by TG though. I have no dog in the fight, but the TG \'10 BC figures were the best.

[Badride]

Pletcher said something like QR best asset is being able to just roll and keep rolling.  Something like letting him go at a moderate pace is what got him beat by Blame.   Why in the biggest race of his life would they harness the only thing that has ever won him a race.   That great speed he has, and ability to create a little advantage.   I just don\'t get it.  I was never a QR fan, especially leading up to the classic.   Anytime you start tinkering with a horses running style whos as accomplished as QR you know he cannot handle the distance.   That being said his only shot was to gun, deadrail or not.   He never showed anything at all.   He looked like Lawyer Ron, at the end of his rope.   He was flatter than a flapjack at 2am at Ihop.  


I thought Big Drama was just dominant.   He coulda ran around there glued to the rail and won.

[moosepalm]

Michael D. Wrote:

> Nice job by TG though. I have no dog in the fight,
> but the TG \'10 BC figures were the best.


I have no basis (or need) for comparison.  The TG numbers really helped sort the wheat from the chaff.  There will always be a few surprises over a fourteen-race stretch.  One which would have surprised the betting public, but not TG readers, was Keertana, if it had flared its nostrils forward at the right moment.  That one would have been a game changer.  Overall, a very nice job, including the analysis.

[P-Dub]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> Michael D. Wrote:
>
> > Nice job by TG though. I have no dog in the
> fight,
> > but the TG \'10 BC figures were the best.
>
>
> I have no basis (or need) for comparison.  The TG
> numbers really helped sort the wheat from the
> chaff.  There will always be a few surprises over
> a fourteen-race stretch.  One which would have
> surprised the betting public, but not TG readers,
> was Keertana, if it had flared its nostrils
> forward at the right moment.  That one would have
> been a game changer.  Overall, a very nice job,
> including the analysis.

If Keertana runs 2nd, I would have visited all of the islands, not just 2.

That horse is probably the single biggest woulda coulda for a lot of TG users.

[dcajero]

Really don\'t have a problem with Smith\'s ride.  Personally I think her connections did her a disservice keeping her in CA as long as they did.  With 2-3 weeks in a stall at Churchill and a few works over the track does she settle in better and deal with the kick back etc?

[sekrah]

Badride..  Big Drama was clearly moved 3-4 lanes off the rail from the break and was there the whole wasy around.   Maybe if watched the races, you wouldn\'t need to pose the questions.

I tossed the horse because of the rail, and after Coa smartly got him off, I said, Good Game Eibar Coa,  1 furlong into the race.

[mikemca]

Just watch the replays.I don\'t think there were any horses on the inside that didn\'t tire.On Saturday watch Gibson Crystal in the 1st or Nicole H. in the 2nd.Or read the charts and look at all the 3,4,5 wide winners.Meanwhile you will see the comments inside,empty or rail,weakened over and over.It was obvious both days and for the most part all week.

[Leamas57]

I am kind of on your side, Jimbo. She\'s a great runner, okay, but how about some perspective?

With all the good horses retired so fast, there were 5 three year-olds in this race and the track did not favor frontrunners at all (was Dakota Phone your first clue?), and so we were back to the same scenario that made her look like a goddess last year.

With a fast track and some horses like a healthy Rachel and normal QR or SummerBird, or Curlin, even Eskenderaya, she would have been toast by 8-10 lengths. So she closes at 10 furlongs to get a \"-1\" or so when only Blame really fired. I mean QR, Haynesfield 10th and 11th??

[P-Dub]

sekrah Wrote:
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> Badride Wrote:
> >
> > I thought Big Drama was just dominant.   He
> coulda
> > ran around there glued to the rail and won.
>
>
> Wow.. Up there with the most asanine comment of
> the year.


You throw out the fastest horse in the race, and arguably the most likely winner on the entire card.

And you think Badride\'s comment is asinine.

[BB]

Having Sekrah rate comments is like having Silver check your spelling.

[Badride]

Toss a mortal lock.  Maybe you should watch a few more races.  Ill take it one step further, he coulda probably ran on top of the rail and won.  He was superior, period.   That horse was going to win no matter where you put him that day.  You give Coa way too much credit if you think that was a conscious effort or if you think he was out in the middle of the track.  Watch the race again.   If you cannot see where he won from, watch it again.  He broke from the one like QR.  The difference is he doesnt need a race laid in his lap to run a big figure or give an effort.  Hes a racehorse, a real racehorse, not a trumped up puke

[Footlick]

She ran her race.  Closed a ton of ground.  Obviously nothing she would have done would have pleased you guys.  So let\'s just leave her alone now.  All you figure guys can say whatever you want about her.  As Jimbo said, she lost.  So did your darling QR and your Haynesfield, and your LAL and your Fly Down and anybody else who finished behind her and \"didn\'t fire\" but ran such superior figures otherwise because they ran on dirt.  She always runs her race and the two times she had to up her game she did.  Let\'s just get off her back now and slam some other horse.  She would never do enough to please some of you guys.  Maybe one of her offspring will please you-lol.

[P-Dub]

Leamas57 Wrote:
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> With a fast track and some horses like a healthy
> Rachel and normal QR or SummerBird, or Curlin,
> even Eskenderaya, she would have been toast by
> 8-10 lengths. So she closes at 10 furlongs to get
> a \"-1\" or so when only Blame really fired. I mean
> QR, Haynesfield 10th and 11th??

Wow, you actually believe this??

She ran a \"-1\" on a track that took her at least a half mile to get comfortable on, spots them about 20 lengths, has the almighty Quality Road back up in front of her, swerve around a half dozen horses to get a clear run, and comes up a nose short.

A normal Quality Road gets his ass kicked by her 7 days a week, unless its a 4 horse field going a flat mile at Gulfstream with no speed signed up.

A healthy Rachel would be a great race, 8-10 lengths slower than her?? LOL

Summer Bird?? Please. Beat him last year, but that doesn\'t count I\'m sure. He would have been beaten on any track too, every day of the week.

Curlin?? Maybe, maybe not. Woulda been a great race.

Eskenfrickindereya?? This is just plain ridiculous.

I guess that maiden that ran that huge negative number at CD a few years back would have beaten her too, right?

I\'m done responding to the same bullshit on this board regarding Zenyatta. If yesterday didn\'t convince you, nothing will. What a cynical bunch.

[sekrah]

Agreed Leamas.   Heralded as one of the greatest horses of all time, she just ran 1 1/4 in 2:02 and change.   Calm down.   This animal\'s greatness is in her consistancy to show up each time she\'s put in the gate.  Alot of that credit goes to the trainer, genes, and synthetic surface.   Her best races don\'t hold a candle to any of the all-time greats.

[sekrah]

Throwout a strong word.  I used him underneath and hit the exacta.   You cannot argue that the draw didn\'t hurt Big Drama\'s chances.   Things worked out and Coa was able to move him off the rail.