Upon Further Review.......

[Rich Curtis]

\"You were not party to the discussion BEFORE the race re Awesome Gem on race shapes, shared by 5 posters on this board. I don\'t look at it but those who do brought up the subject.\"

I don\'t see how this makes any difference at all. I\'m not building up my own pre-race opinion. Feel free to consider it as wrong as wrong can be. Makes no difference to me. I\'m defending something (Race Shapes) that is always on record before the race, that will be on record before future races, and that was wrong before the race in question. By the way, if you want to see \"WRONG,\" go to Formulator and look at Moss for this race. Predicting early leaders based purely on previous fractions is extremely difficult.

\"Am certain TG is well aware of no real measurable ground loss on straightaways however a fair amount of Awesome Gem type\'s show up in sprints too on Race Shapes.\"

  OK, let\'s look at this more closely. You are concerned that a router who raced wide against a slow opening quarter will look too fast on Race Shapes when he switches to a sprint? This is your concern?

[miff]

Rich,

My only concerns right now:  

Whether the favorable 5lb weight shift in favor of Unzip Me vs Separate Forest and 2 lbs vs Broken Dreams is reason enough to stand with her in tomorrow\'s pick 6 at Holly.

Also do I need Kingpin Ryno and Madeoftherightstuf or can I get brave and stand with Kingpin Ryno,very wide into reasonably fast-ish early split,his race not nearly as bad as it looks......hmmmm

Damn I\'m off point!!

Mike

[Rich Curtis]

Very good, Miff. And my only concern, even further off topic, is whether JB will have the guts to show up for our Springsteen trivia contest at Del Mar--with poster BB/Magicnight writing the questions (probably with some help from his wife).

[TGJB]

The contest was off the moment you said you were going to study for it. What the hell is that? What\'s that got to do with being a fan?

I was in a bar a while back when \"I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night\" came on. I turned to the 20 something girl sitting next to me and said, who did this song? She gave me a bored look, pulled out her phone, held it up to the speakers, pulled it down, and read the screen. \"Electric Prunes\". A lifetime of arcane knowledge, completely worthless.

So you can use a search engine, so what. I was there New Year\'s Eve in Cleveland, 78-9, when they were throwing cherry bombs at the stage and one blew up in front of Bruce\'s face. The band walked off, he made them come back, and finished the show with a band-aid on his face. Stick that up your trivia contest.

Meanwhile, the nameless jockey post was pretty funny.

[Rich Curtis]

Study? What I said was that I would glance at some old lyrics on the two-hour train ride because I\'m at my best only in the Darkness-Nebraska-River period. If I studied, Springsteen himself wouldn\'t have a chance against me.

 Surely you don\'t begrudge me doing a little something to make up for the monstrous difference in our ages?

Tell you what. Let\'s have a Guns N\' Roses contest and I won\'t have to glance at any old lyrics.

[Caradoc]

You guys are on the honors system -- no search engines, please.  Free drink at Del Mar during the second week of the meet to the first correct answer.  Song title and album, please:

The moon is high and here I am
Sittin\' here with this hammer in hand
One more drink oughta ease the pain
Starin\' at that last link in the chain
Well let\'s raise our glass and let the hammer fly

[TGJB]

The age difference works in your favor. I may have literally forgotten more about this than you know.

Guns And Who?

[Rick B.]

Caradoc -- you could throw in this one for extra credit:

...and after naming the song title / album for the lyrics shown...name the OTHER Springsteen album that came out on the very same day.

[jack72906]

Long Goodbye....Human Touch Album

[Caradoc]

Rick: Excellent idea.  Hopefully not a dead giveaway, because he released two CD\'s on one day only one time, right?

[Caradoc]

Well done.  I owe you a drink.  Now for the extra credit?

[jack72906]

Ha! Glenlivet 12 on the rocks. Extra Credit? Of course....

[Rick B.]

Yes, that was the only time Springsteen did it. Not much chance of \"giving away\" the answer, as the marketplace issued a collective yawn to both albums upon their release. Some of the public and more of the Springsteen faithful warmed up to both after awhile, but by then the significance of the common release date was forgotten.

In an odd coincidence, only a few other bands had done such a thing back then -- one being Guns and Roses! (Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II)

Hey, who said the TG Forum *doesn\'t* have a wealth of washed-up, aging hipsters?

[Caradoc]

Rick: The lukewarm reaction to Human Touch was unfortunate; there are some really great bits there.  Not that it is on the same level as Darkness, but still. \"Real World\" (with the equally great Sam Moore singing behind him) could have been a Springsteen classic but something went wrong somewhere.

Back to handicapping . . .

[jack72906]

..ok...I think the extra credit question may have been in this post from Rick. So that was Lucky Town and Human Touch released on the same day.

Have grown to really like Lucky Town over the years and Human Touch has a few that have stood the test of time. Specifically, the title track, which, like a lot of Springsteen\'s material is on another level when performed live.