Much to do about NOTHING!!

[Silver Charm]

This battle of the Ex\'s was about as bad as Bobby Riggs verse Billy Jean. Evil Kenievel and the Snake River Rocket Jump!!

I mean this was TOTAL bs!

[Dana666]

Well, at the very least it wasn\'t a fair fight! Chantal had no shot. Don\'t know how they picked the mounts, but she got screwed. Was actually a great leg of the pick 5 wager, like a free space, and the thing still paid 7K, amazing really. Did Evil make that jump, I can\'t remember?

[Silver Charm]

Evils rocket never fired! Nobody got a refund on their tickets or Pay-per-View.

TVG skipped live coverage of the last at the Spa which inludes the Late Double and Pick 4 results. Skipped the last TWO from Monomouth which included a Stakes race. and gave 5 minutes or less of Pre-Race Coverage to a quality Graded Stake from Saratoga because they were showing Mike and Chantal interviews about the coming race.

This match race was a hyped waste of time......

[Fake Maven]

Chantal\'s hype machine has been on Mach 1 speed since early spring. Between the vapid tweets, photo opportunities, \"faux\" match races and newspaper articles, her PR is on 24-7. As long as she doesn\'t hurt someone with her dangerous riding, she\'ll be OK

[jumpnthefire]

Thank God For HRTV!

[jumpnthefire]

oh BTW she is easy on the eyes!

[miff]

oh BTW she is easy on the eyes!

Jump,

..and reportedly a very nice person. Not too dumb either to have an agent to promote her brand and make her some extra money with various racing/other things.

Mike

[jimbo66]

Dana,

It was a \"fair shot\".  I know from your posts that you don\'t read sheets, but the horses were about 1 point apart on current form on the sheets.  The edge that Chantal\'s horse did have was tactical speed, which in a match race is worth the 1 point on sheets IMO.

She was scared before the race, which you could tell from the interviews with the outrider during pre-post.  

And then she rode a non-strategic, dumb race.  So, let me get it, her \"strategy\" was to give the lead away to the other horse, despite having the handier horse, then let Smith ride her wide into the first turn, so she could tuck in a length or two behind and chase, without really threatening?

Brilliant.

[TGJB]

Going in to that Snake River thing it looked like Evil either had to make it or die. The next day Ragozin came into the office and said \"Did anyone bet him to place\"?

[P-Dub]

Jimbo,

Smith\'s horse had dominant pace figures, as well as adding blinkers.

Its a TG board, so all analysis goes through the numbers, but Joker Face had a clear advantage pace wise.  Don\'t know about Chantal having a \"handier\" horse.  Snith rode that horse hard out of the gate, Chantal wasn\'t getting the lead under any circumstances.

Now, perhaps she could have tucked inside as Smith floated wide.  That puts her down inside with a horse that was going to struggle keeping up from a pace perspective.

She kept on the horse\'s flank down the backside, she didn\'t have enough horse to get by. Smith had the better horse, thats why he won.

[Silver Charm]

Len sounds like a character.

Pulls over a Tri-fecta Coup for a bigger score than the numskulls who set the race up. Probably would have bet Evil to crash and gladly cashed with little or no remorse.

Evils rocket was supposed to launch about 1/2 mile over the river canyon and then land squarely on a cushioned nose. Ahhhhh yah right!

Regarding Chantal if there is a little Danica Patrick angle for her in the game then fine. Look at the Pro Wrestling type ink Golf is gonna get with Tiger and Stevie at odds. But the horse race itself wasnt much of a race and when the last two at The Spa and Monmouth are being shunned aside for interviews and flowert Trophy Ceremony\'s then people are losing site of what they are.

BTW-Stevie is 7/5 to throw the first punch. Tiger +$1.90!

[Rich Curtis]

Assuming that Silver Charm spelled it right is rarely a good idea.

[jimbo66]

P-Dub,

Interesting on your pace figures.  I don\'t know, I don\'t buy pace figures, but have been reading the form for a lot of years and I would be very suspicious of any pace figures that showed Joker Face with a pace advantage.

Chantal did nothing during the race.  Literally nothing.  Didn\'t take the race to Smith early or late.  

We don\'t get a lot of match races but take a look on youtube when you get a chance and watch Julie Krone vs Pat Valenzuela and then Krone vs Shoemaker.  (I think it was Shoe).  Great match races in both cases, with competitive finishes and rides.  PVal was \"put away\" by Krone seemingly at the top of the stretch after dueling for quite awhile, but then as Krone\'s horse shortened stride, PVal willed his horse by at the wire.  Krone leaned on SHoemaker\'s horse for half the race as I recall.  

Chantal took her spot at the back and then hoped for the other horse to get tired.  Dumb.

[magicnight]

I bet Hollywood Henderson would have even spotted Silver the \"t\"!

[P-Dub]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> P-Dub,
>
> Interesting on your pace figures.  I don\'t know, I
> don\'t buy pace figures, but have been reading the
> form for a lot of years and I would be very
> suspicious of any pace figures that showed Joker
> Face with a pace advantage.
>
> Chantal did nothing during the race.  Literally
> nothing.  Didn\'t take the race to Smith early or
> late.  
>
> We don\'t get a lot of match races but take a look
> on youtube when you get a chance and watch Julie
> Krone vs Pat Valenzuela and then Krone vs
> Shoemaker.  (I think it was Shoe).  Great match
> races in both cases, with competitive finishes and
> rides.  PVal was \"put away\" by Krone seemingly at
> the top of the stretch after dueling for quite
> awhile, but then as Krone\'s horse shortened
> stride, PVal willed his horse by at the wire.
> Krone leaned on SHoemaker\'s horse for half the
> race as I recall.  
>
> Chantal took her spot at the back and then hoped
> for the other horse to get tired.  Dumb.

Jimbo,

Don\'t want to get into much debate about pace figures.This isn\'t really the forum to discuss them, will just say the ones I use serve me well enough and I\'ll leave it at that.  

Agree with your analysis of her ride, you are absolutely correct. Those other match races you cited were great examples of how exciting they can be, if you have jockeys that understand how to ride in them.

An extremely overhyped event, and the subtext was embarrassing.  Battle of the Exes. Pure fluff.