Thursday GP low payout....

[miff]

\"I\'m all for triple checking the pool integrity, but its kind of silly to think there\'s past posting involved\"


Box,

You don\'t have a clue if you don\'t know that it HAS been done in the past and that people are looking for ways to do it now. That is not to say that this one was a past post or any other low looking payoff.

The point is that checks and balances regarding pool integrity is critical to everyone.What do the Clueless Clowns tell us about this area?, generally nuthin!!

Mike

[colt]

What I found interesting with the GP P3 and the HOL DD is that the last leg of each sequence was keyed on only 2 horses and the preceding leg was an \"all\".  Additionally, the units wagered $110 (GP) and $220 (HOL) ratio/multiple is too strong of a coincidence to simply dismiss.

BTW, the standard response - \"time-stamp shows that the wagers are legit\", was also the case with the Drexel Boys P6 during their dry runs at Belmont.

[what about bob]

I proposed some simple questions that I thought would be interesting to know the answers to.  For me to think that I don\'t win because of cheating in racing is  as absurd as someone who think\'s it doesn\'t exist.

[Rick B.]

You protest too much. Didn\'t mean you.

Also, I don\'t think the game is 100% clean. No sport is, and for that matter, neither is any non-sporting activity or endeavor where money is involved.

My point was / is: if you really think the cheating bogeymen are around every corner -- involved with every odds drop, low payoff, sudden horse improvement, suspicious jockey move, etc., it\'s time for you to quit the game.

Others here wanted answers about why that P3 payout was so low, and when the authorities promptly provided same, these folks pretty much rejected the official response out of hand. (One even opined that the response was too fast!) Well, that screams \"loser\" to me.

[Boscar Obarra]

Yeah ,well clue or not, the first place I would look for past posting would not be some random p3 that pays 1/10 fair value.

 So you think someone with a way to cheat the system would blow it by taking down the whole TINY pool?

 Doubt it. That and since the payoffs are posted BEFORE the running of the last leg.......

 There\'s plenty of cheating in everything, just not where you think it is.

[plasticman]

A situation like this \'calls attention to\' the notion that betting pool integrity is a serious issue. Whether this particular example is legit or not legit doesnt amount to a heck of a lot. What concerns me is the other 99.99 percent of the races and that nobody is pulling a Chris Harn situation, but just doing it smarter and more efficient.

If Volponi doesnt win, the Drexel boys are living on a beachfront mansion in Malibu on all the winnings they would have made in the last 10 years, all on the backs of YOU and ME.

So, they \'outed\' the Drexel boys, that was TEN years ago. Do you know how much technology has progressed in the last 10 years? Heck, there\'s a new and \'improved\' IPAD every few weeks, and we\'re still working with the same exact tote system from 1910?

Does anyone have any information that the tote systems in horse racing are as iron clad and as sophisticated as the newest technology on this earth?

What\'s been done behind the scenes in horse racing to assure that this Chris Harn/Drexel situation never happens again?