I'll Have Another - Pattern Question

[Beginner]

After 20 minutes, I got Sandy King on the phone over at Hollywood.  She told me there are 3 \"lists\" that the asterisk could potentially denote: (1) Starter\'s List, (2) Gelding List and (3) Vet\'s List.  Unless info is REALLY shrouded, I don\'t think he\'s on the Gelding list.  She couldn\'t tell me what the \"Starter\'s List\" was or why they don\'t just write which list a horse may be on in the key at the bottom of the page.  Ms. King informed me that they are finalizing an office move and that the woman who can give a definitive answer doesn\'t have access to her computer at the moment (I\'m not making this up).  She did give me the other woman\'s direct dial # and told me her computer would be up and running tomorrow.  I\'ll post whatever I hear from Hollywood tomorrow.  Good grief...

[JimP]

Starter\'s List is issued by the Starter and includes horses that have caused problems for the Starter. Usually means the horse is ineligble to start in a race until some corrective action is taken. Not likely to apply to IHA.

[sixmoreouts]

Michael D.: http://www.simo-central.com/CHRBPublicReport.jsp

[justwin]

IHA is on the vet list for 10 days with a reason of vet treatment ESWT. Anyone know what ESWT means. Is Doug playing games?

[Niall]

Its non invasive shockwave therapy

[sixmoreouts]

http://www.eswt.com/

[Caradoc]

Does anyone (Sighthound?) know what it is designed to treat?  And why its use would require a 10-day stay on the vet\'s list?

[sixmoreouts]

Apologies. Here is a better link.  One that applies to horses and not humans(!)

http://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-dept/equine-large-animal-dept/update-on-eswt-treatment.aspx

[miff]

ESWT been around for some time.Understand at NYRA tracks, equipment is registered and monitored with NYRA vets.Lauded by many in accelerating the healing process, used for several conditions.

Sight,

Whats your experience with this?

Mike

[Wrongly]

Great take on the pattern and thanks for the information!

[alm]

Let me tell you if this horse needs this kind of therapy it doesn\'t mean anything good.  There are other legal devices that can be used to promote healing by stimulating blood flow, but shock wave is intended by a trainer to allow a horse to run through pain.  No matter what some pie in the sky vet has to say about its beneficial use.  If the trainer can\'t administer it ahead of a race, and most of the time he can\'t, the horse will be running IN pain.  Not for long.  The long layoff between this colt\'s recent races probably had a lot to do with this condition.  His regression from race to race is whatever you want to make of it, but if you bet him in any way be sure he doesn\'t make all your tickets go.

[miff]

Al,

At NYRA tracks a horse is not permitted to race for like 10 days after ESWT.It\'s pretty common but expensive here.


Mike

[Caradoc]

Mike, I\'ve done a little looking and the rule in California is the same, 10 days out.

As far as I can tell, there is no affirmative obligation to disclose this sort of information to bettors for a runner IN THE KENTUCKY DERBY.  What hope do we have of knowing anything important about a horse running in some maiden 20 somewhere tomorrow?

[miff]

Car,

The players have absolute control over transparency issues like this.Simple,  organize and tell the Clueless Clowns we\'re not betting until the info is published.I\'ll bet it gets published quickly.

Game is tough enough without adding variables that we don\'t even know exists.



Mike

[TGJB]

Mike-- It\'s actually easier than that, you don\'t have to boycott all the races, or even all those at one track. Just one a day-- first or last at every track, something like that-- and announce that starting two weeks later it will be two races a day.

As for shock wave, as with antibiotics, there is no way the fact the horse got it can be a plus, especially when you consider he had two layoffs and gets less time to recover now. If a horse has been running badly it may help him, but one who has been running well... and problems get worse with racing, not better. Unsound horses run well fresh.