Flashback knee injury

[TGJB]

Vito-- you\'re a nice guy, but...

The point is that the problem isn\'t confined to that horse. I\'ve been talking about it for years, and in fact did so here yesterday-- this was just the latest example, I brought it up because of yesterday\'s conversation.

One horse can do anything. This is not that. But also, does it make sense to you that the horse ran a bigger figure in that maiden race than in the SA Derby, where he was 8 clear of the third horse? Or that he earned a much better figure for that maiden win than Joyful Victory got for GI win out there (a distance race)? Only on Ragozin-- nobody else has those races anything like that.

[TGJB]

You could make the case the big effort (top) last time hurt him. Or you could say it\'s a coincidence-- Miff would agree with that.

[vp612]

First of all Baffert has a history of getting huge numbers first time out and this horse was no exception.I could give you a list but you know that\'s a fact.What I am saying is that it\'s kinda funny that the horse keeps going backward(on their sheets) and the next thing you hear is that he is hurt.I am saying that the possibility exists that he was not the same horse this year.

[TGJB]

There\'s also the \"possibility\" that those huge first outs they don\'t get back to are because they\'re running in sprints then and routes later-- Ragozin has abouta 4 point error in his sprint/route relationships. If you add 2 to the sprints and take 2 off the routes it will look different-- like it does on accurate figures made by others.

[FrankD.]

Touch,

As a displaced New Yorker for 6 plus years through the 80\'s in Lincoln Park; No doubt Cubs games were the more social event hands down. Something about sunning in the bleachers, beers & bouncing breasts all of which had very little to do with baseball made for a great day!

Now let me make Rick B. & Topcat melt: I would have taken the 5/8ths bull ring at Sportsmans hands down over any Chicago area track. I learned more about trips and track bias there than anywhere else by a mile.

\" Here they come spinning out of the turn\"

Good luck,

Frank D.

[vp612]

I respectfully disagree.

[TGJB]

Your perogative. But just for the helluvit-- did you keep Ragozin\'s BC 2012 sheets? If so, pencil in the number they ran that day (available on their site as you know) on their sheets. See how many sprinters get tops and near tops, and how few routers. Dirt only.

[vp612]

I will do that and get back to you,no problem.

[jimbo66]

Vito,

You seem like much too nice of a guy for this board.  Polite and respectful. You kind of remind me of Miff.  You are not also 85 years old, are you?

[vp612]

No not even close but you gave me a good laugh.

[SoCalMan2]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Vito,
>
> You seem like much too nice of a guy for this
> board.  Polite and respectful. You kind of remind
> me of Miff.  You are not also 85 years old, are
> you?


I agree this guy is very polite and respectful (and note the sarcasm in relation to Miff), but, how does everybody know this guy\'s name is Vito?  He only created this account today and you and TGJB already know his name.  Is he somebody famous?

[TGJB]

He\'s the last man standing on the Sherman board. Diehard Raggie.

[touchgold]

funny....sportsmans park was where I first started playing....too bad the auto track didnt work out....

[sighthound]

Ah, Phil Georgeff, \"the voice of Chicago racing\" ... he was a good one! I miss him.

That said, the call of the Wood was simply horrid.  He needs to retire.

[TGJB]

Vito-- since you brought it up on the Ragozin board (without which I wouldn\'t have known his figures), War Academy is another example of what we\'re talking about. As you said there, on Ragozin his first lifetime race (a sprint, of course) is his best, his last (route) is not as good. Nobody else has it that way-- we have the last equal to his top, Beyer has it much better.

It\'s systemic problem. They have a big problem with the relationship between one and two turn races. Either that or everyone in California runs better sprinting, early on their career.

Let me know if you break down the BC stuff by sprint/route.