Chrome Can

[P-Dub]

sekrah Wrote:
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> Ahh yes.  Here comes the West Coast \"chip on my
> shoulder\" rant from P-Dub.
>
> P-Dub, Quite frankly nobody gives a @#$%& where
> Chrome is from and if you think so you are
> delusional.  I\'ll bet against Derby winners in the
> Preakness, and horses going for the Triple Crown
> in the Belmont EVERYTIME.  I don\'t give a f- where
> they are from.  Why?  Because they are underlays.
>
> If he wins he wins, Wonderful. Doesn\'t change the
> fact that he\'s been an underlay in every Triple
> Crown race so far and will be so in the Belmont as
> well.  
>
> Save this \"No Respect\" nonsense for your Chrome
> Facebook fanboy page.  We\'re here to make money.
> If an underlay gets us, oh well. It\'s happened
> before and it\'ll happen again.  Part of the game.

I don\'t know where you\'re from, nor do I care. Wasn\'t a \"west coast\" chip on my shoulder rant. You missed the point, thats what happens when you rage on like you just did. Calm down son, lighten up with the expletives, and try to do a better job comprehending a post.

My point was that there were plenty of excuses people gave as to why he won.  Perfect trip, traffic for others. He\'s lucky, he\'s not much faster than others.

The fact that he has tactical speed, is tractable, is a big reason he has won the 1st 2 legs.  That\'s not luck.

I gave an example of a \"slower\" horse, with the same type of tactical speed, that beat his supposed \"faster\" opponent.

I also never said betting against favorites is a bad thing, yet you went on and on about betting against underlays. Yet I was ranting??  

You were in such a hurry to defend your \"big black bag filled to the top\" wager, that you got all lathered up.

I didn\'t bet a dime on the Preakness, because I didn\'t see the horse losing.  I\'ll take a swing in the Belmont, against my beloved West Coast horse.  I may have tears in my eyes as I place the wager, I\'m such a homer.

As Sgt Hulka said.....\"lighten up, Francis\".

[Toga]

Appreciate the feedback. I just watched Smarty\'s Belmont race. He ran his eyeballs out and still lost. How easy it is to forget. His running style is similar to CC and there does seem to be a solid field signed on for the race (thanks miff). You have to figure at least one of these will be fully cranked and there is at least reason to believe CC\'s legs will wobble the final furlong. I actually love the fact that SI is signed on to wear down CC. That makes this race very playable for me.

[Tavasco]

P-Dub,

I don\'t think you are delusional.  I enjoy your contributions. The name callers, well, why bother.

[Bet Twice]

Verrazano came to mind for me too.  Agree with mjellish, think he is best suited for shorter distances.

[TreadHead]

Verrazano ran a -4 at 9F and destroyed (an admittedly weak) G1 field.  I doubt Social Inclusion is capable of that, but guessing we will probably get a chance to see as the speed-favoring MTH surface makes perfect sense for him.

[Toga]

Interesting that the connections for Kid Cruz are turning him right back, no? I couldn\'t resist his pattern in the Preakness but he didn\'t run a lick. Any thoughts on Danza? I keyed him for 1st and 2nd in the Derby and just missed a serious score so naturally I thought he had excuses. But watching it back I am not so sure. Wicked Strong seems to be a logical contender, curve as well but you\'ll never get the price you did in the derby, don\'t know much about tonalist but hear there is some buzz around this horse. Should be a quality race, I will take a shot at Cali one last time.

[jimbo66]

Sekrah

He was not an underlay in the derby.  5-2 was fair for a horse that was faster than the competition and tractable.

1-2 in the Preakness was an underlay, despite him winning.   The chances for a bad trip with much more speed in the field made 1-2 treacherous.   He won.  1-2 shots often do.

He will face a very tough field in the Belmont.  Hard to say if he will be an underlay.  The blanket assumption that all favorites are underlaid just isn\'t true.  

I think he goes off even money if Tonalist, wicked strong, danza and commanding curve all run.   Seems a bit short with the logical wear and tear he likely has gone through inmthe first two races.  By my eye he was on his belly late in the Preakness, all out.  He held easily but it gave me a different feeling thsn the derby where it seemed he had more and Espinoza coasted home.  

I guess we will see in 3 weeks

[Fairmount1]

Your Superstar ran 3rd on the turf.....Still no superstar outside of Florida and Monmouth.

[miff]

\"I actually love the fact that SI is signed on to wear down CC. That makes this race very playable for me\"

Toga,

The single perfect trip for CC in the Belmont is for him to stalk SI to the turn and swallow him while stealing off from some very strong finishers.SI gets hot and with crowd/heat will wilt imo. His last two routes saw him weaken late at much shorter distances.CC ran way from him rather easily in the Preakness.

Only question to me is where Tonalist will be given his new found early speed(wet track though)Rosario prone to take no prisoners early, great possible mystery early with very little pure gas and only a couple of stalkers(CC, Samraat,Tonslist?)

Best Belmont in years, and could be a great race if the talented ones run well.

Mike

[big18741]

I could also see Danza a little more forwardly placed than in the Derby where he was shuffled back.

I don\'t really like him for the race but I think at some point he\'ll be up near the front.

[richiebee]

It will be interesting to see (if SI indeed is a Belmont entrant) if trainer
Azpurua gives him a workout of more than four furlongs. His pre race demeanor
certainly remains a concern.

Also of interest will be to see which of the runners coming from out of NY
(including CC) arrive early for acclimation over a Belmont track which is
unique in terms of configuration and surface.

Rumor that TGJB and Jake/Len lobbying for another 1-1/2 mile race to be run on
the Belmont card to aid them in coming up with a more accurate Belmont #.

[miff]

@DRFGrening: Ron Sanchez said Social Inclusion 50-50 for Belmont. Will also be nominated to Met Mile and Woody Stephens, run same day.

[richiebee]

OK, a visit to NYRA website answered a lot of questions:

CC to arrive in NYC on Tuesday.

The 1-1/2 mile Brooklyn Handicap, recently run the day before the Belmont, is
scheduled to be run on Belmont Day.

Hoping that Coup de Grace and Oliver Zip, who put on a great show in the Bay
Shore on Wood day, return in the Woody Stephens.

This is shaping up to be (understating) one of the great days in NY racing history
and I am inclined to take a page from the book of General George S. Patton, who
once humbly approached a higher authority hoping for acceptable weather.

[jerry]

Just wish Romans would run Medal Count.

[metroj]

Kid Cruz didn\'t get the same outside closer favoring track Saturday that he had gotten in the Tessio.