Start the drumbeat

[Rick B.]

rhagood Wrote:
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> As an aside, just watched the NBC broadcast replay
> after being at Gulfstream Park today.  Did anyone
> notice in the lead out form the infield CC was
> sporting major wood.  

Thanks, I couldn\'t figure out what \"h on\" meant in
Cal Chrome\'s line in the race chart equipment changes.

Makes sense.

[jbrown007]

Ride on curlin ran his eye balls out. That horse will never run that fast again the rest of his career imo. As far as thoro numbers, I definitely think chrome will be in the negative 1 territory. He demolished the field with horses like inclusion, Cruz who have run big numbers before. I could definitely see Curlin running a zero even though I didn\'t like him at all yesterday. Ran fast as a two year old. Never really got a great trip in his prep races.

[miff]

CC gets a Beyer of 105 virtually pairing his SF and SA Derby which equal app TG neg -1, where I\'ve had him all along.

....and as mentioned, the connections of CC threatening to NOT run in Belmont without nasal strip.CC reportedly undefeated since adding nasal strip 6 races ago.

[TGJB]

Miff-- a) you\'re using Beyers to verify your figures, and b) just that one? Weren\'t you the guy who said all of us should be making the Derby slower, by the clock?

This one is going to be a figure maker\'s nightmare. Won\'t know for sure until I look but again a long time after the closest dirt route, possible drying out track. Except this time you have the second horse running a new top and the ones behind him probably all running well off their tops, making all the figure histories of limited usefulness. Much tougher to do than the Derby figures.

[miff]

Beyer and TF already have CC at TG -1 and TG -1.5. Your take very different, as day was called perfect for id\'ing track speed by one, no word if Beyer had any issue.

Derby was slow, you can give it any fig you wish, clock at 2.03.66 that day a great mystery relative to all other races run.Wind only possibility after track super publicly stated he was aware of moisture and added more liberally.

No reply from guru of track speed yet re derby.

[KK4510]

Maybe NYRA should rename the Belmont Stakes the Woody Memorial.

[TGJB]

Mike-- anyone who thinks Preakness day is perfect for identifying track speed is living on another planet, if they mean the speed stayed the same all day. It got faster as the day went on-- but that still doesn\'t help with the Preakness because you can\'t tell whether it kept getting faster after the Sir Barton, and if so how much. And for reasons sated before the Preakness horses are little help.

Right now I\'m giving the winner a neg 2, but I\'ll be reviewing this one every time one runs back.

[miff]

JB,

I could never read you. You scoffed at my conversion to TG neg -1 or -1.5 from other services then come up with TG neg -2. Seems you are determinded to get CC to bounce like a spaulding in the Belmont.

Since you like to spar, a drink that CC went forward on Rags from his 7.25 on their stuff...dont laugh.

Mike

[TGJB]

How about I take 2 points forward or more on Ragozin, YOU take under. For a house.

And it\'s Spauldeen, you know that.

I didn\'t scoff at the fig, just at using Beyer to back it up, and just selected Beyer, not the Derby. I said from the start this one was going to be a bitch. It\'s a guess within a range.

SI gets the worst looking 1 in history.

[miff]

JB,

Rags a tough read for me, I do not have anywhere near the handle, pre fig published, as I do on TG/Beyer/TF.

The ugly TG 1 for SI is a by product of the methodology which,as you know,I believe is overweight in valuing ground loss in the whole number.That fig,imo,is earned by slaving off the winner\'s. SI\'s fig and performance in the Wood was really good, his Preakness not even close, yet only TG .5 difference.

..ugly

Mike

[TGJB]

Jake has only 3 Derby horses to work with, and by their rules has to tie the figure to the rest of the day. He can\'t go off the Derby horses, has to have the race much better. Will be 4 or better for the winner.

They had the top two coming in not having come close to their 2yo tops.

[miff]

If they were to agree with the general consensus, the fig would be a Rags 1.5 to 2, making it like a 5 point move up or like 8-10 lengths better.

Fwiw,CC was pressed down on hard,ran his fastest race ever imo, as you have it.Agent pal said Rosario, on ROC, thought he \"had\" CC after they straightened into the stretch, but CC a \"good horse\"

[miff]

\"And it\'s Spauldeen, you know that\"

Yes,old brain, its the Spalding company made it, can still see that scripted on the pink sucker...50+years ago for me!

[richiebee]

miff Wrote:
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> \"And it\'s Spauldeen, you know that\"
>
> Yes,old brain, its the Spalding company made it,
> can still see that scripted on the pink
> sucker...50+years ago for me!


Ah, but nobody remembers the \"Pennsy Pinkie\", which some preferred over the
\"Spaldeen\" for stickball purposes.

Lots of variations on a theme when it came to stickball; in our neighborhood we
played with a tennis ball and a conventional baseball bat; the sound of bat on
tennis ball was rather pleasing when the ball was well struck.

[Edgorman]

richiebee Wrote:
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> miff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > \"And it\'s Spauldeen, you know that\"
> >
> > Yes,old brain, its the Spalding company made
> it,
> > can still see that scripted on the pink
> > sucker...50+years ago for me!
>
>
> Ah, but nobody remembers the \"Pennsy Pinkie\",
> which some preferred over the
> \"Spaldeen\" for stickball purposes.
>
> Lots of variations on a theme when it came to
> stickball; in our neighborhood we
> played with a tennis ball and a conventional
> baseball bat; the sound of bat on
> tennis ball was rather pleasing when the ball was
> well struck.

Not as thrilling as when a well struck Spauldeen crashed through a window in our courtyard.