Owner not wrong

[jmh384]

lets give this guy a break he was in over his head. whats its idiotic is he causes a debate. ITS NOT THE TRIPLE CROWN IF THEY CHANGE IT.

[sekrah]

Classless owners.  Glad they lost.

[mdspwt1]

We will see a triple crown winner but first we need a Belmont horse winning the derby and not the vice versa attempt. Afleet Alex was oh so close...Still, why shove the mic right in the guys face right after as opposed to celebrating the victory and what was an exciting race? Give the guy 15 minutes to compose himself (not sure if that would have happened or not). I don\'t remember a big IEAH interview as soon as Brown faltered...?

[TreadHead]

The owner WAS wrong and his complaint completely illogical.

He was beaten by Medal Count, who DID race in the Derby and was also running in his 4 stakes race in the last 9 weeks, just like Chorme was.  And they finished behind him.  

So regardless of whether or not you are arguing that you need the Derby points to be in the Belmont or that other horses needed to have the same difficult, tightly spaced campaign chrome did, he is still a loser on both counts there, so the entire argument and rant is clownshoes laughable.

Guy is a crybaby, and I hope he is punished with a long-standing internet meme.

[TreadHead]

WOW, apparently he is doubling down on interviews today.  On Good Morning America this morning, he compared it (rested horses taking on his horse) to playing basketball against kids in a wheelchair.

[sekrah]

What a piece of garbage.  Probably angry and bitter that he won\'t get to sign his Hollywood movie deal.

[Blueskies]

The real irony of his rail against the Triple Crown is that Coburn implies that its just not fair to race against the fresh horses because of the race spacing. That was NOT his story last week when he was winning the race, had unbelievable foresight, was making history and was still annoyed with the bad hospitality in Louisville.

You have to enter these races and if Coburn thought he was doing something that was not in the best interests of his horse then shame on him.  If he ever thought it was too much for Chrome then he should have pulled back and regrouped for Saratoga or some other meet.

Clement brought his horse along nicely this year and when we wasn\'t ready for the Wood he developed a new  goal and got it done - end of story. After he won, Clement was nothing but professional.

Coburn should tip his big ol Cowboy hat to Clement for lessons learned in horsemanship and media relations.

[TMW]

Blueskies Wrote:
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> The real irony of his rail against the Triple
> Crown is that Coburn implies that its just not
> fair to race against the fresh horses because of
> the race spacing. That was NOT his story last week
> when he was winning the race, had unbelievable
> foresight, was making history and was still
> annoyed with the bad hospitality in Louisville.
>
> You have to enter these races and if Coburn
> thought he was doing something that was not in the
> best interests of his horse then shame on him.  If
> he ever thought it was too much for Chrome then he
> should have pulled back and regrouped for Saratoga
> or some other meet.
>
> Clement brought his horse along nicely this year
> and when we wasn\'t ready for the Wood he developed
> a new  goal and got it done - end of story. After
> he won, Clement was nothing but professional.
>
> Coburn should tip his big ol Cowboy hat to Clement
> for lessons learned in horsemanship and media
> relations.


Very unfortunately, he has demonstrated again today that there were no lessons to be learned for this guy. He even gave out his phone number on ESPN to anyone who dares to discuss with him being a poor loser. I guess this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Belmont was sandwiched between the women\'s French Open Final and the Kings/Rangers game. Court and rink filled with excitement and classy performances. In comparison, his behavior made our sport appear to be more similar to boxing and wresling than the other two in the minds of the casual observer. We know better. Hopefully, most turned off their sets right after the race was over.

[KK4510]

Funny how they were willing to pull CC if he couldn\'t wear a nasal strip, but we never heard about him skipping the Belmont because it was filled with \"cheaters\".

[kencbs]

Before yesterday he was being portrayed as a common man\'s hero.  Now he\'s in the same class as Cliven Bundy.

[toppled]

His argument is as stupid as if an owner of a professional sports team complained that he lost the league championship because the winning team traded for a player at the trade deadline. That\'s the real analogy.  Fortunately, there\'s never been a team owner stupid enough to say rosters should be set on opening day.  
He keeps proving he really did name his stable correctly.  I\'m waiting for him to say that only the Derby winner should be permitted to race in the next 2 legs of the Triple Crown.  
I too am glad this clown didn\'t become the owner to end the Triple Crown drought. I\'d rather see someone with as much class as his horse win the Triple Crown.  If Chrome ever races again, he\'s going to get his ass kicked by Shared Belief & the owner should be grateful Shared Belief didn\'t run in the Triple Crown because if he had, Chrome may have had no Triple Crown race wins.

[rhagood]

Right thoughts, wrong approach.  Space the Triple Crown races 4 weeks apart, then the Haskell 4 weeks later followed by the Travers 4 weeks later.  5 races in 5 months to determine 3 yr old of the year.  Points for participation and performance.
The Triple Crown format  changed several times before the existing set up.
Spacing is more fair for the horses and current training/racing patterns.
Interest and marketing opportunities will increase and the Triple Crown will not be easier but more fair and overall better for the industry and the horses.  All the other major sports have evolved to keep pace and improve with the changing currents.
Everyone wants a fresh horse these days, no wasted efforts. The early Derby preps are often NW1/NW2 events, then more horses fall off the Triple Crown/ Derby trail without the proper foundation of years past.  Racing overall looses a chance for more rivalries and 3 yr olds who become the handicap division horses of the future.

[jp702006]

Toppled,
 I agree with the majority of your statement. However, lets wait and see if shared belief and chrome face off before declaring that SB is a better horse.

[richiebee]

rhagood Wrote:
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> Right thoughts, wrong approach.  Space the Triple
> Crown races 4 weeks apart, then the Haskell 4
> weeks later followed by the Travers 4 weeks later.
>  5 races in 5 months to determine 3 yr old of the
> year.  Points for participation and performance.

Just to play Devil\'s Advocate, lets say a 3YO wins Florida Derby, misses the
Triple Crown^*races, wins the Pennsylvania Derby and then wins the
BC Classic, beating the best older horses in the country.

I guess then we have a match race between the Triple Crown^*points
champion versus the BC Classic winner to determine best 3YO? Cool!

> The Triple Crown format  changed several times
> before the existing set up.
> Spacing is more fair for the horses and current
> training/racing patterns.
> Interest and marketing opportunities will increase
> and the Triple Crown will not be easier but more
> fair and overall better for the industry and the
> horses.  All the other major sports have evolved
> to keep pace and improve with the changing
> currents.

All the \"major\" sports have central governing bodies.

> Everyone wants a fresh horse these days, no wasted
> efforts. The early Derby preps are often NW1/NW2
> events, then more horses fall off the Triple
> Crown/ Derby trail without the proper foundation
> of years past.  Racing overall looses a chance for
> more rivalries and 3 yr olds who become the
> handicap division horses of the future.

Anything that does not involve a colt winning the Derby, Preakness and Belmont
in a five week span is the Triple Crown^*, not the Triple Crown.

I have two suggestions. One would be to maintain the five week spacing, but to
move the series back a month. Ky Derby last Saturday in May, Preakness two
weeks later, Belmont on July 4 weekend. Kentucky folks will complain about the
traditional \"First Saturday in May\", but the truth is that the Kentucky Derby
festival will be the biggest event on the Louisville sports, social and
entertainment calendar, even if it is held in November or February.

Second suggestion is a bit out of the box and would unfortunately result in a
Triple Crown^* series: Take off three pounds for each Triple Crown
event participated in; under this system Tonalist would have carried 126
pounds in the Belmont, Cal Chrome 120.

[slewzapper]

It already is the Triple Crown*. The game has changed for years, and this series hasn\'t.

To pretend otherwise is to ignore evolution of the game (for better or worse), increasingly ruin its budding stars and dilute the competition of these races. The TC either tracks the current stakes racing paradigm (as it did years before when those TC winners of yesteryear did their running), or it now represents something other than what was accomplished in the past.

Were Alydar or Easy Goer 3yos in 2014, they would likely not have run in the Preakness and waited for the Belmont. That good for the Triple Crown?

We\'ve watched stake preps for both the KD and the Breeder\'s Cup continually space back from their championship dates. Training, drugs, whatever routinely lead to through-the-top performances and require more recovery. The TC spacing is increasingly more against the standard of practice for campaigning top stakes horses; it thus also magnifies the difference in performance capability between those horses running in all three races vis-a-vis those that don\'t, compared to years past.

You may want to pretend they are running just like they did in the 70\'s, but that it delusion. Keeping the spacing the same as it was when stakes horses ran at those intervals as a matter of routine IMO makes the TC series worse, not better. If you want things to be as they used to be, then we have to change all of it back - and that isn\'t going to happen.