frosted or fraudsted?

[Flighted Iron]

Beaten 2 lengths by AP. Ran two lengths farther than AP.

[miff]

Ha Iron,

Still Fraud-sted for now 2-11. Middle half 46 change took AP and him out or Bafferts 2-30 record, ahem. Would have been great battle late if Lezcano didn\'t take it to AP early on.Frosted ran a big race!

Mike

[TGJB]

Really, pace? They went 48. They\'re supposed to run fast for SOME of the race.

The point wasn\'t necessarily that Baffert\'s horses run bad at Sar, it was that they don\'t generally run as well as they do at Mth, which I made clear in the seminar. Best guess is the figure AP gets is about what he ran in the two races before the Haskell. Which was perfectly reasonable going in, and at which level he could possibly get beat.

[miff]

Competition at Monmouth not even close to that at SPA top level, easier to run fast vs Little Sisters Of the Poor.

[Boscar Obarra]

You don\'t think the 26.5 final q is sub par? by a lot...

And thats the winner, AP more like 27, awful.

EDIT came home in 26.4 not 27, still slow, but not abysmal.

[miff]

Yes.Travers often comes up slow vs all other dirt races. Beyer and other fig makers scratch their heads some years,the Travers comes up so slow raw.

[TGJB]

What\'s the relevance? If they went a second slower to there, they would go a second faster from there.

Miff, please. A) he ran at Mth against the horse that beat him at Sar, and B) the pace was a lot hotter there.

[miff]

Don\'t have a clue what you are referencing

[TGJB]

Your post at 5:39.

[ringato3]

Frosted ran fine.

Race slow unless a large breakout between 1 and 2 turn races


106 Beyer for keen ice seems a bit generous.

Pharaoh was in trouble approaching turn,   Espinoza scrubbing on him even harder there than the derby run.

Actually thought horse ran better than expected from that point on.   Frosted looked to have had him on turn.

Texas red - despicable

Upstart - not despicable, but not good.  Saved ground and had zero run.  Just not the same horse anymore.  

Rob

[miff]

Need some of that \"smoke\" bro.No idea what you are looking at.

[TGJB]

https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/read.php?1,97447,97450#msg-97450

At that.

[miff]

Of course Keen Ice would have won had Frosted/AP not throw down with 6f left to run.AP did not run as well as usual while under pressure today.

[Michael D.]

I think AP did about the same thing in the Derby, Belmont, and Travers. the Preakness was a bit slower due to the fast pace. the Haskell was better, his best race (9f is perfect). the Belmont was run over one of the quickest surfaces I have ever seen there & the adjusted pace was so slow that the race played nothing like a mile and a half race.

I\'ll be surprised if the horse runs in the BC Classic.

[TGJB]

If you ignore the fact that AP had to deal with a much faster pace at Mth and still beat Keen Ice, but lost to him here, that makes perfect sense.

AP lost because he wasn\'t the same horse today that he was at Mth. Doesn\'t mean he\'s not great, doesn\'t mean he won\'t run a neg 3 next time. Call it a bounce, call it Sar vs. Mth, call it just going back to the race he usually runs. But it had zero to do with pace, which was softer today than when he ran the neg 3 last time.