Carlos Martin

[richiebee]

Bull:

I do not care to go back and forth. But of course I will.

I was not \"correcting\" you. I am not trying to discourage you from bringing
forward your theory. What I am encouraging you to do, for my education and to
bolster your claim, is to supplement your theory with facts and statistics.

The reason I suggested using TG trainer stats is because this is the TG board. I
was looking too see if there was something other than his near 30% strike rate at
Saratoga that points to his runners moving up.

\"Horses he has had, running abnormal performances, combined with suspicious
betting\", would love to hear about it. And I agree that if a horse is
\"rebreaking\" under Jackie Davis, that has a certain February feel to it. But
really, Bull, without getting insulted, what is \"abnormal?\" Big lifetime top?
All of a sudden showing gate speed, where none was shown before? Speed in morning
workouts where none was shown before?

The whole notion of \"what I said to you and why I said it\", all of your
comments about how I treat other posters, I won\'t respond to that. I will
however, say that I did not set my mind to \"come at you\". When you threw out the
\"habitual 8%\" stat, it sounded wrong to me, so I checked it.

Coming at you? No. Asking you to do better? Yes. And for the love of Mike, it is
not personal with me.

[TheBull]

Richie,

Agreed that a fact driven dialogue between two (or more) intelligent people benefits everyone. Thank you for clarifying your post. Yes, you are correct; nothing I said was esoteric fact. The suspicious betting doesnt really need to be quanitifed, it\'s just pretty easy to see from looking at the board lately, imo. Next time, I will try to throw in some pure tg based stats or other relevant empirical data to support. It was more meant to start a post about alot of \"inner track magic men\" and even a few others (Baker, Martin) having better than normal Saratoga meets all at once. It wasnt necessarily directed at Martin (poor choice of thread title I know, haha)

As for you and I, apologies if I came off harsh, and no I won\'t consider it personal. Truce? Now let\'s get back to enjoying the summer and preparing to crush Travers week!

[richiebee]

Bull I appreciate that and an apology is not necessary.

So I just downloaded Friday\'s past performances. Race 5, Eden Ridge, moves from high
percentage (29%) trainer Danny Gaughen to Carlos Martin. In Eden Ridge\'s first start
for Martin, on July 29 at Saratoga, Eden Ridge prevails at odds of nearly 13/1. TGs
are not yet available for Friday. Eden Ridge\'s Beyer # on 7/29 was 9 points higher
than any Beyer he had previously run. New lifetime best after being moved from high
percentage trainer definitely gets my attention. Lots of missing information for
certain.

What I have cited above is not by itself evidence of performance enhancement, but if
it happens again and again it is evidence of something.

As to you and me, I think you would be surprised at how much we agree on.

[richiebee]

Strike, I appreciate your kind words, but more importantly, congratulations and best
of luck to your daughter.

[joemama]

FWIW. Carlos Martin\'s stats at Saratoga for the last 3 years (2013,2014,2015) are:

Starts Total  72        
         Wins  8              
         Win% 11              

Turf Starts   41
        Wins   6
       Win%    

That\'s 2 for 31 on dirt.

[richiebee]

Update Greyjoy race:

1) Greyjoy was claimed by Asmussen.
2) Carlos Martin claimed That Makes Sense, post time favorite and last place
finisher, from D. Wayne Lukas.
3) Greyjoy was ridden by Ibad Ortiz, not by Jackie Davis (my mistake there).

Lets see what happens next with Greyjoy and That Makes Sense, though of course TMS
has the benefit of being able to come back in a NW2L race.

[Topcat]

richiebee Wrote:
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> Update Greyjoy race:
>
> 1) Greyjoy was claimed by Asmussen.
> 2) Carlos Martin claimed That Makes Sense, post
> time favorite and last place
> finisher, from D. Wayne Lukas.
> 3) Greyjoy was ridden by Ibad Ortiz, not by Jackie
> Davis (my mistake there).
>
> Lets see what happens next with Greyjoy and That
> Makes Sense, though of course TMS
> has the benefit of being able to come back in a
> NW2L race.


A clarification: the aspect of Greyjoy\'s 8/17 win became a minor cause celebre when that afternoon\'s switch from Ms. Davis to Ortiz (enormous, by any standard) wasn\'t announced to the great unwashed until AFTER the pick-six sequence had begun.  Very, very bad business.

[Strike]

Richie,

Thank you. Her first class is this afternoon.