Rosario on Frosted

[davidpty]

someone can tell me if Rosario did everything to win the race, Is not clear if he dropped the whip,

[Silver Charm]

Couple of things. I passed the race for disclosure. There was other legit speed in there. They didn\'t want any part of it so they took back. Why then they didn\'t sit the pocket trip and save ground is confusing to me because he can but people get afraid of being boxed in. At the same time they concede like 1-2 points in ground loss.

Lastly I can be wrong but I will give a horse the benefit of one race off a GIANT # if he had enough rest. But now on a 4 week turnaround maybe that figure is catching up to them. I didn\'t pull the trigger on the race and I was waiting g for the Glens Falls. Rosario rode well yesterday, just not this one. And maybe he still doesn\'t push on for the win with a better trip. There were 4 horses there at the wire...

[BitPlayer]

Given the weight he carried and his wide trip through the second turn, I would not be surprised if Frosted came close to pairing his Whitney fig.

[davidpty]

Finally watched the replay, for me, Rosario didnt ride with the best intention or interest to win the race...

[Silver Charm]

Not wanting to pick an argument here. I disagree. It wasn\'t a great ride no doubt but the horse didn\'t want to go by either. The horse lost major ground and gave weight which all adds up but maybe he was telling us something else....

[Boscar Obarra]

It was a \'reluctant\' performance for sure. all over the track late. wouldn\'t have taken much to go by, and who knows how the track was playing in the 10 path as few are silly enough to test it.

[philywheel]

Watching the nyra network, they pretty much ripped Rosario apart,I think it was Migliore who said, if Rosario rode a race like that at aqueduct in the middle of winter the fans would have rioted,The mig was especially hard on Rosario for that ride on Frosted

[philywheel]

They also said Frosted doesnt like the whip

[jimbo66]

Silver,

Perhaps you need to watch the race again.  or read the trainer/jockey comments instead of just seeing what you would like to see.

There was no \"take back\" because of other speed.  The horse didn\'t break well.  The race caller even saw that without a replay.  They had no choice.

Rosario didn\'t ride hard in the stretch.  That really can\'t be argued with.  Even the race caller, in the midst of calling a 10 horse field without a replay benefit, said \"a very confident ride by Rosario\" as he was losing the race.  

Agree with our other point, backward move off a tremendous race, back again in 4 weeks, further regression certainly possible and happened.  Not a surprise to many, Frank D. and apparently many at the seminar as well.

But there was no plan to take back to avoid speed.  Silly stuff.

Kiaran blamed the trip.  

Now that said, perhaps Kiaran needs a mirror in his house.  Started the meet 7 for 9 or something like that and now for the past 3 weeks his horses are all running X\'s.  Young horses, experienced horses, fast horses and not so fast horses.  All running awful.

[Molesap]

Kiaran McLaughlin may be the streakiest trainer alive.

[ajkreider]

I get your point, but do you really think the 2nd and 3rd placed horses in the Woodward ran awful?  They almost certainly got the two top figures in the race.

[jimbo66]

AJ,

Frosted ran poorly, relative to his last two races.

TG figures aren\'t performance figures.  

Yeah, Frosted may only regress a bit on TG, but blowing the start, then floating very wide on the second turn, while NEVER grabbing the bit the entire backstretch, to lose a close race against slower horses, is a really bad race.

Will he get a ground loss loaded TG figure.  Sure.

Does it compare well with his last, when he jumped out the gate, was on the bit all the way around the track, setting a very fast pace, then drawing off.

Nope.

[Furious Pete]

How isn\'t thoro-graph performance figures? It says right there in the top left corner. \"Performance figures\". (To get a horse) Running a big negative number after stumbling out of the gate is not a bad (trainer) performance.

[jimbo66]

Pete,

A figure that doesn\'t take pace or trip into consideration isn\'t a full performance figure.  It is a speed figure.

You want to say fRosted ran as well yesterday as the Whitney, God Bless.  

Heard this from either TGAB or TGJB at a seminar years ago, amazing how many horses sitting on a bounce or regression don\'t break well out of the gate.

And YES, Frosted\'s performance yesterday was SURELY part the trainer\'s fault.  The horse ran his eyeballs out 2 starts back, then ran almost as well 4 weeks ago.  Running this horse back in yesterday\'s race was a bad call.  Forget about me saying it, that is red-boarding, but you had TGJB saying it before the race, Frank D. saying it before the race and Jimmy Jerkens basically saying it.  (his quote was \"not sure why Frosted was running back so soon, but we figured we had to take a shot).

Now Kiaran put himself in a bad spot.  He ran so bad, he may be over the top or if not that, he might not be up to running 1 1/4 against Chrome and others.  He may back off now and go for the BC Mile or no BC Race and the Cigar Mile in November.

[Furious Pete]

That is a complete straw man argument, that has nothing to do with what I was saying.