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fasteddie

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2004, 08:17:29 AM »
If Bird is not in this, he wins by 8, and we are all talking about what a great fit Stu is  etc...Birdstone LOVES this track, Zito did a great job with him, and he will win the Travers.

Bailey will NOT be on Smarty, unless he were to lose the Pa Derby!

I agree about the \"skippers\"; this is becoming quite a trend over the last 20 years, making it all the more difficult to do the Triple Crown.

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Frank

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2004, 09:58:30 AM »
\"You can debate it, but i know this is the greatest horse to not win a triple crown.\"

I see that this was posted in the wee AM hours so maybe it was fueled by some adult beverages. I know you\'re old enough to have watched Spectacular Bid make his bid. Chuckles, please don\'t tell me you believe Smarty is a better horse than the Bid.

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Chuckles_the_Clown2

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2004, 11:09:40 AM »
The Bid lost his Belmont by more with the same type of questionable ride. If Smarty runs in the Travers Birdstone running for second.
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jimbo66

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2004, 11:29:49 AM »
Before you comment about Secretariat \"staggering home\" after those fractions, check out the fractions he ran.  He went 1:09 and change.  They went 1:11 on Saturday.  I know the track was very fast for Secretariat, but it was also fast on Saturday.  They set a track
record earlier on the card.  Saturday\'s race should stop all the hyperbole with Smarty on this message board.  I am sorry, I know JB is an icon on this board, but his comments about Smarty being faster than Secretariat are really off base.  Smarty is a very fast horse, but Secretariat was one of a kind.  1:09 and change, 2:24.  Under pressure.  Smarty was pressured on Saturday, but not to a ridiculouos level.  48 and change on that track was not a quick first half.  The next half was fast, but not faster than Point Given\'s fractions and he ran on.  Smarty didn\'t.  HE came home in 27.  Not championship caliber.
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Chuckles_the_Clown2

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2004, 01:24:07 PM »
Granted he came home a little slow. He should have won. As far as \"not championship caliber\"...wanna bet?
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Silver Charm

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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2004, 01:47:22 PM »
Agreed CtC
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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2004, 02:19:07 PM »
This race also puts Seattle Slew\'s Jockey Club Gold Cup into perspective.

He dueled off a fast sprinting rabbit and Affirmed in insane fractions and was coming back again against a multiple Grade I winning closer like Exceller.

Can anyone on earth imagine Birdstone passing Slew after he put away Eddington and RHT?  :-)
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jimbo66

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2004, 02:38:53 PM »
Not the horse not being \"championship calibre\", the 27 second final fraction.  Which i will bet on :)
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fasteddie

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2004, 08:35:18 AM »
Glad you mentioned the 1978 JC Gold Cup:

If memory serves, as follows:


22:3, 45:1, 109:2 first 6F

I think the rest were 137:1, 201:3, 227:3

making the last 6F 118:1!! And, back in the day when the cushion wasn\'t as deep.

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Re: Did Stu Blow It?
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2004, 01:45:26 PM »
Fasteddie. 78 JCGC

45.1
109.2
201.4
227.1

Last quarter not bad after the extreme duel.
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