Derby pace question

[jbelfior]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Joe
>
> One of us (meaning you) has decided that a history
> of trends that likely have a cause and effect
> relationship don\'t matter.
>
> Pletcher 1 for 50 in the derby is meaningless (to
> you)
>
> I assume Baffert\'s ability to get his horses to
> fire through every race of a triple crown campaign
> is also meaningless (to you)
>
> And the Dubai horses running poorly year after
> year, don\'t reflect the quality of the UAE derby
> or the validity of taking that path to win the
> derby.
>
> Horses with 3 vowels in their name winning is
> meaningless. When I can see trainer tendencies,
> number of preps, existence of 2 year old
> foundation and other cause and effect
> correlations, a good handicapper factors them in.
>
> Not sure why this concept is foreign to you.
>
> Your earlier post questioning the same thing with
> pletcher makes even less sense.  The guys MO and
> maybe business model has been on display for 20
> years.  His horses fire fresh off the layoff,
> don\'t improve during a campaign, run better at
> gulfstream and are almost always over the top by
> the derby.


So Pletcher can get a horse ready to win the Belmont, but not the Derby?

Good Luck,
Joe B

[jimbo66]

Joe,

Did you see the seminar or do any of your own research?  It is an accident that Pletcher runs X\'s a ridiculous amount of time in the DErby?  His name should be Todd \"X\" Pletcher.

Random?  Like a coin landing on heads 6 times in a row?  

You can choose to believe it.  In other breaking news, the world isn\'t flat.  But I am guessing you haven\'t seen enough proof of that either?

Jim

[johnnym]

According to some of the guys in the NBA it is..

[RICH]

Jimbo

you were gone for a few years, I been here since 1996, man you are back with a vengeance, and if anyone here is a thoro user, you make a lot of sense. good luck pal.

[kindbud777]

Been reading this site forever. Jimbo relax buddy. Hope all is well. The attacks on everyone are getting disturbing

[Furious Pete]

(I can not emphasize enough how this little text should be read in the most good-intentioned, warm-hearted, gentle, loving, and cinderella story-esque light possible).

This \"before\"-picture is Dubai in 1991 https://www.internationaltraveller.com/dubai-then-and-now/#&gid=1&pid=1 . You get the \"after\" picture by clicking into the next photo. The first UAE Derby was run in year 2000, a mere 125 years later than the first edition of the Kentucky Derby. Not sure you get a realistic picture of the quality of racing there today by relying on statistics from those early years in the desert.

They\'ve come a long way!

And like Americans, they do dream big and I can promise you this, they are going for the roses. Will they get them on Saturday? Probably not, though I guess it\'s not absolutely impossible. Is the quality of horse racing in Dubai now at a level where one seriously should consider what they\'re sending over? Absolutely. But it sure will take something special to do it.

[jerry]

Maybe someday but Thunder Snow looked awfully gassed through the stretch run of the UAE race. Lasix may help.

[T Severini]

Furious Pete Wrote:
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> (I can not emphasize enough how this little text
> should be read in the most good-intentioned,
> warm-hearted, gentle, loving, and cinderella
> story-esque light possible).
>
> This \"before\"-picture is Dubai in 1991
> https://www.internationaltraveller.com/dubai-then-
> and-now/#&gid=1&pid=1 . You get the \"after\"
> picture by clicking into the next photo. The first
> UAE Derby was run in year 2000, a mere 125 years
> later than the first edition of the Kentucky
> Derby. Not sure you get a realistic picture of the
> quality of racing there today by relying on
> statistics from those early years in the desert.
>
>
> They\'ve come a long way!
>
> And like Americans, they do dream big and I can
> promise you this, they are going for the roses.
> Will they get them on Saturday? Probably not,
> though I guess it\'s not absolutely impossible. Is
> the quality of horse racing in Dubai now at a
> level where one seriously should consider what
> they\'re sending over? Absolutely. But it sure will
> take something special to do it.

Made the decision some years back that its going to take a WOW event to even consider a Dubai horse coming in \"Wayne off the Plane\".  Just not even gonna go there. If the WOW event occurs you\'re gonna see an 8-1 Dubai horse. 16-1 isn\'t enough to pique interest.

If they get serious they\'ll bring the Dubai horse over for the preps, but that\'s not how they roll. They have their way. Now if that horse had a slipped saddle or hated Churchill goo, why not run in the Preakness? the UAE Derby being the same distance?  Nope, they got their way and the Preakness is just another race. Maybe the Belmont Stakes but if he runs there he will be acclimating.

[sekrah]

Moving the UAE derby back by 2 or 3 weeks and shipping them here earlier will give them a chance.  These horses are losing too much training for a 1 1/4 mile race.