Randi Persaud

[TheBull]

Pretty amazing, a guy who seldom wins, all of a sudden pops with his last four starters in a row.....all at big prices....all seemingly overmatched......what are the odds?

[jerry]

Can’t answer that question but the late double yesterday combining his $136 winner with his $43 winner came back a head scratching $485. The parlay is about 3 times that.

[Tavasco]

The guy is infamous - probably best to not get JB started.

[Boscar Obarra]

Well, back of the napkin, guys about 5% overall, so  20 X 20 X 20 X 20  for a 4 in a row like that.  Not to mention the 116-1 that ran second to herald the angels.

There are some other things in play here, but that double, to a 50-1 ML , was actually the SECOND choice double to the previous winner.

20-1 was light on the last winner, probably a few folks had caught on by then

[shanahan]

the problem with this thread is...no one in authority seems to care...or notice.  The idea of a national \"czar\" is great, but not in our lifetime will it ever occur.

[Boscar Obarra]

I\'m sure they notice.

 Even if they investigate , they are not about to tell you about it, unless something is found.  Maybe not even then

[TheBull]

Nope....when Joe Parker\'s barn allegedly got raided last year around this time, there was no announcement. Just never saw the guy win again

[richiebee]

https://horseracingwrongs.com/2015/06/11/the-everyday-abuse-you-wont-hear-about-on-nbc/

Read the above far enough and Mr. Persaud\'s name will appear.

http://www.drf.com/news/trainer-suspended-owners-fined-alleged-ownership-fraud

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-park-trainer-randi-persaud-fined-1000

On the other hand, if NYRA refused to give RP stalls, those stalls would probably
go to TAP or Chad or Riceriquez, and I\'m not sure that is any better for NY racing.

[trackjohn]

Same with OSB back in late 70\'s

[TheBull]

No it wouldnt be, and not just from a juice/no juice perspective. The more stalls Chad and Todd get, the more horses that will sit in the stall and not run often. Think about it, Chad probably has 8-10 horses on the grounds at Bel eligible for a particular condition. If they run one, at the most two, that\'s 7 or 8 stalls with horses who wont run. Kills field size and quality. Limit their stalls and you can bring other barns and more horses in who will actually enter and fill the races. It is pure math.

[Tavasco]

TheBull Wrote:
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> No it wouldnt be, and not just from a juice/no
> juice perspective. The more stalls Chad and Todd
> get, the more horses that will sit in the stall
> and not run often. Think about it, Chad probably
> has 8-10 horses on the grounds at Bel eligible for
> a particular condition. If they run one, at the
> most two, that\'s 7 or 8 stalls with horses who
> wont run. Kills field size and quality. Limit
> their stalls and you can bring other barns and
> more horses in who will actually enter and fill
> the races. It is pure math.


Trending....Is it the new normal. Today\'s ethical model. The art of the deal cheat scheme and get ahead by any means possible.

If big outfits e.g. CB, TAP and others have the stalls others don\'t. This decreases competition. Decreased competition increases their share of the purse money. So direct ones operators to lobby for more stall space use ones power to threaten and manipulate officials in fact install your own guys as officials.

Long term? forget about it that is for the smarts like Japan, Hong Kong those two really have a quality racing product. Of course its not 24/7 which is probably also smart.

Expecting insiders to have the same reality as we outsiders (bettors) is irrational and vice-versa so wrote Peter Drucker in \"Managing for Results\" sorta.

[TheBull]

Exactly. Not to make Persaud the modern day Holden Caufield anti-hero, but if you cant compete with TAP or Chad, then cheating for a few weeks a year and making 50-100k off betting and purses??? Why not? As the old saying goes, Cheat, Starve or Quit!

[ajkreider]

TheBull Wrote:
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> Exactly. Not to make Persaud the modern day Holden
> Caufield anti-hero, but if you cant compete with
> TAP or Chad, then cheating for a few weeks a year
> and making 50-100k off betting and purses??? Why
> not? As the old saying goes, Cheat, Starve or
> Quit!


I don\'t know, (and I\'m just spit balling here), maybe . . . . integrity?

[TheBull]

The words integrity and horse racing dont often collide in the same sentence. You\'re naieve if you think the first priority on a trainer\'s list of responsibilities is integrity. We arent talking teachers or doctors or police officers here. I am not saying everyone in the game should cheat. Im saying I understand why they do.

The problem isnt a guy like Jorge Navarro, it\'s the laughably soft penalties a guy like that has to face for cheating. Not to mention the tracks that do not even WANT to bust him (looking at you mth park) because he fills their races. How about the fake program trainers who really are just beards for guys like Kirk Ziadie that have been ruled off the grounds and cant get licensed? Or a Marcus Vitali who seemed to survive his slap on the wrist like nothing happened. He is allowed right back in Gulfstream. Ramon Preciado\'s suspension is almost up btw if anyone was curious. Peter Miller has horses testing positive for cocaine. Any dent in his career? Dont get me started on Linda Rice.

What other industry can you blatantly get caught cheating multiple times and still be allowed to operate, let alone prosper? The integrity problem in this game does not lie with the horsemen. It lies with the governing bodies that allow them to do it so easily. THEY are the ones who are ignoring integrity in favor of the bottom line.

[ajkreider]

Oh, I\'m not being naive at all.  My point was normative, not descriptive.  Your claim that the integrity problem lies with enforcers, not cheaters, is a) undoubtedly accepted by a large portion of the US population, and b) just more evidence of the sad, even childish, moral nature of that same population.  

\"It\'s your fault.  You didn\'t stop me.\" - is so pathetic that one would think it only utterable by 10-year olds.  Alas, it is apparently the standard.  Never mind the truism that the enforcers would be unnecessary, absent the lack of integrity in the cheaters.

The crime of racing\'s enforcers is merely incompetence.