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RolloTomasi

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2018, 06:53:05 PM »
dsipes Wrote:
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> Any opinions on whether Mendelssohn will regress
> off that huge TG fig and, if so, by how much?
> Does the addition of Lasix mitigate a regression?
> Haven\'t seen this discusse8d much by the
> Thorographers.
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Wild Syn had a monster number coming off the 95 BG on the most insane inside speed favoring KEE day I ever witnessed. That joint over there where Mendelssohn ran was the same way for 2 months straight. Like Wild Syn, I\'m tossing Mendelssohn for for fun.

thebig1five

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2018, 10:55:22 PM »
But 18 lengths? And a track record at the distance? And faster than some of the older horses in the Dubai World Cup? Can\'t all be because of the bias.

thebig1five

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2018, 11:11:29 PM »
Rayya jumping 4 points would have been ridiculous. Calm down.

P-Dub

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2018, 12:31:41 AM »
thebig1five Wrote:
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> Rayya jumping 4 points would have been ridiculous.
> Calm down.


You just joined this forum 3 days ago.

You might want to be the person that \"calms down\".
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kevb

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2018, 01:04:22 AM »
Keep in mind that Mind Your Biscuits rallied to win from the back and down the the middle of the track.

P-Dub

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM »
You can certainly make a case for tossing Mendelssohn, that last number was an atomic explosion.

But as I have at times learned the hard way, and as several very sharp people on this board have also stated, its always dangerous to leave the horse with the fastest number off your tickets.

Obviously there are times that a pattern will allow you to dismiss the fastest horse, but we really don\'t know what this guy will do. He gets Lasix, has an accomplished trainer, has a forwardly placed style that should keep him out of trouble provided he breaks alertly and doesn\'t get bumped around out of the gate, and of course that last race.

He could bounce a bit and still win. I\'m putting tris and supers together and its getting expensive. My gut says he doesn\'t run his race and finishes off the board. I think there are enough talented horses in here that if he doesn\'t fire his best shot, he will miss everything.

And after the race, it will all seem so easy when he runs out and we all say......see, that number knocked him out. It was SO obvious.

I still have no idea what to do with him, but leaning towards a toss.
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statuette

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2018, 01:41:17 AM »
he reminds me of Bellamy Road just can\'t shake that feeling..

sekrah_

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2018, 07:08:56 AM »
Mende is off all my tickets and it wasn\'t a very difficult decision, imo.

johnnym

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2018, 07:16:06 AM »
I played him defensively but overall that pattern sure reminds me of a Pletcher horse coming in.
Has bounce written all over him,when 15 of 16 horse’s win on the front end just May be a track bias

big18741

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2018, 07:48:40 AM »
He\'s gone from my tickets also.

Keying Hofburg to move forward another couple points.

shager

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2018, 08:13:47 AM »
Not a fan of Mendolssohn but cant get ad\'s pattern from last year, a 9 point move coming into the derby, a 5 pt top from his 2 yo then a new top in the derby. GM to explode and win by open lengths.

T Severini

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What?
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2018, 12:26:24 PM »
One day, maybe today, a Saudi horse is going to come all the way over here and win this thing. When it happens, it will be without me. You win some Derbies, you lose some Derbies. Gotta see it first.

Never was nor will be a Trainer, but for me,  bringing a \"Scat Daddy / Tricky Creek\" to Louisville without a real workout on the track is negligent. But that\'s how they do it there. That\'s not how its done here. Not yet anyway.

In was a big desert margin in fair time. A la Bellamy Road, but further. I didn\'t take the time to try and dissect those Desert Races because they\'ve never proven merit to invest that time. That\'s TGraphs job for now and I assume they assigned a number so big that its factored Bounce Territory.  That\'s a big assumption, cuz I am totally out of the loop.

For what it\'s worth, at my peril, I will be working the other Scat Daddy\'s out of the money as well. I refuse to believe a mid distance at best sire suddenly went Classic.  To my end Pletcher\'s vet slipped Scatty the needle.
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jerry

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Re: What?
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2018, 10:59:02 PM »
I don’t like Scat Daddy either as a classic distance sire but sadly, classic distance breeding has been out of style for a while now in American dirt racing. It’s all about milers. Unfortunately, we saw another miler moved up over a wet sealed track. Doesn’t tell you a thing about distance potential. A sham.

TreadHead

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Re: What?
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2018, 07:21:59 AM »
\"I don’t like Scat Daddy either as a classic distance sire but sadly, classic distance breeding has been out of style for a while now in American dirt racing. It’s all about milers. Unfortunately, we saw another miler moved up over a wet sealed track. Doesn’t tell you a thing about distance potential. A sham.\"

It\'s been extremely entertaining watching (especially on twitter) all the people making excuses for not liking Justify better and trying to trump up some bias as an explanation of why he ran well.

In the Derby, almost all the horses who were in the back half of the field in the early calls finished in the top half of the field.

In the surrounding dirt races, the 10th and 13th, horses that were 1-2-3 at the 1/2 mile did not make the exacta and there are several other examples of backwardly placed horses getting up by finish.

People trying to argue a bias are fooling themselves with their own sour grapes.

The horse has run negative figures at 9 and 10F.  He\'s not \"just a miler\"

drbillym

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Re: Mendelssohn
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2018, 08:32:24 AM »
Richie, you of all people should have known that Mendelssohn always preferred slow movements to anything prestissimo!