Thorograph Seminar

[TGJB]

Only to you. Redboarding is frowned upon here, if you didn’t post it before the race as far as people here are concerned you didn’t have it.

[johnnym]

Redboarding with not so much of a ticket or an opinion of the race prior to it being run and you hit the super..
Come on dude really?
If you feel like that about TG why are you here?

[Flighted Iron]

Red boarding is not in good form unless the red boarder lost in a bad beat. Please post all selections pre-race.

[kindbud777]

Guaranteed you didn\'t hit super, never post but been reading a while. Every post pre race post was awful by this guy and sounds like you struck out not getting the seminar most likely. Go away.

Thank you TG. Seminar was awesome

Good luck. Thx, Scott

[mjellish]

Bigfiveguy,

I\'m surprised no one has pointed this out to you yet.  But as I understand it, the TG Race Shapes are not intended to be used as a pace predictor.  Rather, they are designed to be used as a predictor for how a race will set up to give a better understanding of which horses are more or less likely to be given a ground saving trip.  You can read this in the TG Intro section regarding Race Shapes.  It specifically says,

\"This enables the handicapper to evaluate how a race will
set up—for example, whether a horse drawn outside has several horses with
a similar running style inside him, in which case he could be caught wide.\"

So what you have been doing is posting about stuff that has no relevance to the product whatsoever.  You are buying a product and trying to make it do something it does not even purport to be trying to do.  It\'s like buying a hot dog and getting pissed at it because it isn\'t a steak.

So I would suggest that you take some time to understand the product before you purchase it.  

Same for the seminar.  Only in this case, please buy it and watch it before you start trash talking it.  This year it did a very good job of doping out the win contenders and helping people understand how to use the TG product effectively.  In the KY Derby, the only horse it recommended keying up and down in the verticals took 2nd and it was not the favorite.

And save the red boarding altogether no matter what you buy or how you use it.

[TGJB]

I was going with taking a Shakespeare course and complaining they’re not doing Dickens, but the hot dog thing works. And it works for the Q guy too, re the seminar.

[shanahan]

It always seems that the posters who bitch the most were losers.  Why would anyone take the time to send that post if they won $19K?  I\'d still be...well, somewhere.

Figs were great, seminar mostly helpful.  Crushed the early part before the slop.  One of my 5 best days no doubt.  I like Bill Mott a lot.  A whole lot, and that is why I particularly love the TR stats.

Wonder Gadot did not receive much love on TG analysis in her previous race, but man she really stood out to me, even in a narrow loss paid great.

A really nice weekend and I, for one, appreciated the product being much well in advance of Oaks/Derby day.  Best to all...especially Alan.

[Furious Pete]

I have not seen the accurate figures for this, but by just comparing the available purchasing prices of this years field vs last years field I added it up to about 3,5 M for last years field, and about 9 M for this years field (a few more horses were lacking this information on the sheets last year). The trifecta this year cost 2 M, last year 830 000. Is that \"class\" enough for you? The contestants in this years field ran faster, better in every conceivable way leading up to the derby. The trainers talk have been much bigger this year around. I think it\'s very hard to make a decent case for this not having been a very strong and deep field. That said they were probably purchased and trained to be race horses, and not swimmers.. It still produced a most spectacular winning performance, right up there competing with Big Brown for the best I\'ve ever seen, all things considered. Isn\'t it now that the lightly raced-\"caveat\" should begin to kick in in Justify\'s favor? I mean if he\'s still learning how to race..

And Good Magic, will he even run in the Belmont given how he flattened out in the stretch on Saturday? A quality horse, no doubt, but I wouldn\'t have had too much faith in him improving over the longer distance..

And I guess they won\'t risk Audible getting in the way for the possible Triple Crown winner either..?

There\'s some long prices to be had on Mendelssohn to win the classic this fall, I think that is a race that would suit him a lot better. Looks a decent antepost bet. But I doubt he\'ll be back before then?

I might try to find a saver for my triple crown bet on Belmont day, but I don\'t really think I\'ll need to.. (it\'s not redboarding, it\'s actually my only prediction in this years derby season on this board). Still a lot that could go wrong of course..! ( https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/No_Justify_wasnt_lame_after_Kentucky_Derby_win_very_minor_issue_123# )

[bluechip21]

The seminar provided not only a lucrative weekend but a lifetime in knowledge about this product. Worth every penny...

[jmh384]

i have been using thorogragh. for a long time. i still trust numbers. but analysis has been not good lately.  might go back to ragozin and my own analysis

[boardedup]

All right I gotta say it, Two days before the race you started a thread about Noble Indy\'s early pace in the Rebel, a race he wasn\'t even in?  Now you\'re touting a five digit score and bragging about finding the longest price on the board?    

BTW Your posts seemed to indicate you were on Magnum Moon?  What made you change your mind?

[jerry]

Trips. The top two had clean trips. The rest of the pack literally got mud in their eyes, faces, noses and throats, not to mention the herding they endured for most of the race. A real testament to the quality of Audible who, through all of a nightmare trip, still put in a good run in the end. I’d like to see him in Baltimore.

[T Severini]

Speaking of the seminar?  I\'ve been jonesing for 2 days.  

No one wants to lay out all their combinations and hear they covered too many or hear you bonehead, how can you not spread! For me, its normally the latter. But if one is going to crow, at least have the courtesy to go on the record with your winner.

If I were to immerse in this season, one of my lines of inquiry would be Baffert betting favorites post Classic Victory, which I\'m about certain has already been done here. Baffert now has 5 Derbies (1 cash for me) and 6 or 7 Preaknesses. How has he historically done with favorites in the Preakness and Belmont? One could add Derby Favorites to that inquiry, but the \"established Classic win form betting favorite looks more relevant to me.) Looks to be a sample of at most 11 races. After the American Pharaoh year, I should already know this...but I don\'t.

Well, that record looks like 7-3 with established classic favorites. I assumed Silver Charm, Real Quiet, War Emblem, Point Given, Looking at Lucky and American Pharaoh were all Post Time Favorites. Pretty Impressive. (Baffert skipped Belmont with Looking at Lucky) His Achilles Heel with a horse on the grind appears to be the Belmont.

[dsipes]

Having visited this forum hundreds of times and having purchased the seminars, I\'ve come to this conclusion.  Both sides of this thread are correct.  The seminar is great and very much worth the money you spend on it. And there are a lot of pretentious folk on here that post regularly.  Rarely are there any discussions of TG patterns, which is what this forum should be exclusively about.  Thorograph is too unique and too good for discussions about anything else.  This forum is called ASK THE EXPERTS.  I doubt many on here would consider themselves an expert on TG.  Before I post my next sentence and advice, I\'ll be the first to say I\'ve been guilty of posting things on here that aren\'t about TG patterns.  Yet my advice to others and I will attempt to follow this advice myself, is that if you post something on here, make sure it\'s solely about TG patterns of a horse, a trainer, a sire, etc and lets attempt to make each other better at using Thorograph and trying to attain that status of EXPERT even if being an expert is likely never attainable.

[moosepalm]

Based on what I\'ve read here, my suggestion to management is that, in the future, they post the seminar and analysis after the race.  This should insure the desired 99+% accuracy and align itself more closely with the ex post facto betting strategies, and accompanying victory dances, that always seem to crop up on the board.  This might necessitate a slight reduction in pricing, but that should be more than offset by the anticipated bump in product demand that would result from advertising a nearly 100% hit rate with product usage.