Thorograph Seminar

[SarasotaMatt]

Incredible that a guy complains about a $25 seminar that hands you more handicapping detail than all other services combined. If you are a straight TG player, you were handed the ex/tri combos in both the Oaks/Derby.Been using the seminars for the big race days for 10 years or so, and find them invaluable.Also been reading the board regularly but had to post a response today.

[ajkreider]

Check the archives.  They post the seminar every year.

[moosepalm]

ajkreider Wrote:
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> Check the archives.  They post the seminar every
> year.

The flow chart of the thread suggests you\'re responding to me.  If so, that would, suggest that I might need to find a way to include a \"sarcasm\" emoticon when I post, or probably just get new writers.

[SarasotaMatt]

BTW-  only I can hit both of those triples and still find a way to lose money on the weekend! My absolute killer was the Pat Day Mile....live to it in Pick 3 and busted my Pick 4 that I had otherwise covered. I\'m sure many had similiar experience w/ that brutal race. Keep up the good work.

[ajkreider]

Sorry.  Been mentally beaten down by some of the comments in here the last couple of weeks.

[Rich Curtis]

Since management obviously hangs on my every word, my suggestion to management is that the next person who tries to use post-race mentions of phone calls, texts, or whatever, in order to vacate pre-race posts should be hanged, drawn, and quartered, and then what is left of him should be put on the rack, the iron maiden, and the bastinado.

[P-Dub]

dsipes Wrote:
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> Having visited this forum hundreds of times and
> having purchased the seminars, I\'ve come to this
> conclusion.  Both sides of this thread are
> correct.  The seminar is great and very much worth
> the money you spend on it. And there are a lot of
> pretentious folk on here that post regularly.
> Rarely are there any discussions of TG patterns,
> which is what this forum should be exclusively
> about.  Thorograph is too unique and too good for
> discussions about anything else.  This forum is
> called ASK THE EXPERTS.  I doubt many on here
> would consider themselves an expert on TG.  Before
> I post my next sentence and advice, I\'ll be the
> first to say I\'ve been guilty of posting things on
> here that aren\'t about TG patterns.  Yet my advice
> to others and I will attempt to follow this advice
> myself, is that if you post something on here,
> make sure it\'s solely about TG patterns of a
> horse, a trainer, a sire, etc and lets attempt to
> make each other better at using Thorograph and
> trying to attain that status of EXPERT even if
> being an expert is likely never attainable.


I think you\'re taking the forum name a bit too literally. Many people mention patterns when discussing selections.

Taking your suggestion, I would miss out on many posts that are very informative that don\'t talk about pattern analysis. MJellish comes to mind, many others.

I would suggest that if you have a question about patterns, or are wondering why someone used a specific horse, then ask why that person used that specific horse. I\'m sure many folks would have no problem discussing patterns. I also would love to hear the reasoning behind some of the selections.  

Relegating this forum to posts only related to TG patterns would make this a pretty boring board. I mean, why would you stop all of us from enjoying the outstanding posts made by Mr 4days or whatever the hell is name is.

[TGJB]

I was wondering when you would show up. It\'s been Assertion City around here.

[T Severini]

Finally found the Seminar. Placing it in the Sticky Threads always fools me.

Thought it was a good analysis, specifically on the 1st and 2nd and 3rd horses. Maybe a little dismissive of Hollendorfer\'s horse, as pertains to the super, if it was dismissed there, but give credit for the Tri, which was more than the vast majority.

My only issue would be with the statistics on Aiden O\' Brien which looked off the charts good. I don\'t think he Dirts much over here. Hardly at all. I\'m assuming the Seminar statistics are reflecting what he does with Turf animals. The only significant dirt race that I\'m aware of that he prevailed in was years back in the Breeder\'s Cup Juvenile with Johannesburg. (Who I think was Scat Daddys sire). Just watched a replay of that race and he caught a ding dong front end affair that he sucked up into just like a turf horse. I lost so it doesn\'t matter, but I wouldn\'t have placed Mendy in the Top Flight in a thousand years.  I remember Arcangue, but at least one got odds.

Would like to know O\'Briens overall record in the Derby. I know Johannesburg was eaten alive by the pace but until Mendy, I can\'t think of another one.

2013  Lines of Battle 32-1, 7th
2012  Daddy Long Legs 26-1, 20th
2011  Master of Hounds 16-1, 5th (Yeah this  one got serious hype. Forgot about that one.
2002  Johannesburg        8th

Think that\'s it. Looks to be the new Suroor to my eye...but generally if you finish about 9th or better, you can pat yourself on the back for bringing a useful horse to the Derby.

If he\'s had more starters couldn\'t come up with them.

[moosepalm]

ajkreider Wrote:
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> Sorry.  Been mentally beaten down by some of the
> comments in here the last couple of weeks.

That\'s quite alright.  I had mistakenly identified many other posts as sarcasm, only to discover to my amazement that they were actually written in earnest.

[Deadrockstar]

Sad! No redboarding then but the BEL sheets yesterday were key to the very logical 10/1 and 15/1 horses in the early P5. And then low and behold they were picked in the analysis.

[moosepalm]

T Severini Wrote:
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Looks to be the new Suroor to my
> eye.

Bin there, done that.

I\'ll wait for the rim shot and move on.

[moosepalm]

Rich Curtis Wrote:
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then what is left of him should be
> put on the rack, the iron maiden, and the
> bastinado.

I was certain that last word was a term used by my grandfather when he thought one of his opponents in briscola was cheating, which was rather ironic since a certain form of cheating was an indigenous part of the game.  For those who don\'t know, briscola is an Italian card came, the primary purpose of which, at least as far as I could discern, was to see who could curse the loudest.

As to the substance of your post, I trust that I will be exempted from the guillotine (wrong board, I know) for the claim that my initial strong position against Justify was negated by a last minute side comment to the complete stranger sitting next to me in a carrel at Churchill.  Unfortunately, I don\'t know his name, so I can\'t call on him to bear witness, but trust me on this one -- I absolutely nailed it.

[TGJB]

That\'s why we have a Red Board Room on this site.

[T Severini]

moosepalm Wrote:
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> T Severini Wrote:
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> Looks to be the new Suroor to my
> > eye.
>
> Bin there, done that.
>
> I\'ll wait for the rim shot and move on.


I think I gotcha moosepalm, the young TGJB:

Rim Shot

No Satisfaction

But, I am officially now on record as predicting Justify\'s Reckoning.  I will share at the appropriate time, in time.