Who amongst us is surprised?

[Bet Twice]

Perhaps upgrading The Mott’s of the world would be a way to play it.

[TempletonPeck]

There are 3 other (i.e., other than Navarro/Servis) indictments with a total of 8 other defendants (so 27, total).

If anyone wants some light reading:

Navarro et al.: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1256656/download

Robinson and Mangini:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1256661/download

Izhaki and Lebowitz:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1256651/download

Grasso, Poliseno, Guinn, and Guido:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1256646/download

[Agastache]

Breakfast??? Like Wagner\'s?

[Bet Twice]

Just speculation, but the timing of Gary and Kieran leaving with this shoe dropping is interesting.  Not suggesting they were cheating, but interesting nonetheless.

[TGJB]

It might make them reconsider.

[TempletonPeck]

From the MANGINI/ROBINSON indictment, paragraph 26(b): \"On or about December 18, 2019, MANGINI shipped and caused to be shipped, via the USPS, approximately 24 parcels of race horse PEDs from a location in Florida to, among other locations, AZ, CA, KY, LA, MI, MO, OH, OK, PA, TN, TX, UT, WA, and the Spanish island of Mallorca.\"

Yikes.

[richiebee]

What would be an interesting story is how Gary Contessa, good guy and perennial
8% - 10% winning trainer, could be using PEDs so ineptly.

As to KMac, he has been successful on the racetrack in all of his endeavors,
jock agent for Chris Antley, assistant trainer for D. Wayne, first US trainer
to uproot and head for the Middle East, etc. and he will retire with his reputation intact.

Its kind of sad that these two retiring trainers are tied in to Navarro and
Servis in this thread. Also sad that many owners who have aligned themselves
almost exclusively with high percentage trainers for decades now seem to be
above mention. Also sad that EPO (\"elephant juice\") is still being used
undetected, as it has been since the late 1970s.

If a test (kind of a popular word these days) can be developed for some of
these compounded substances/PEDS, any frozen samples from the past few years
could prove very important, and may result in a much wider net being cast.

[hellersorr]

I never did trust those guys at Mallorca. . . .

[Boscar Obarra]

Another one who has mastered the art of the interview

[BitPlayer]

There is a mention in the Navarro indictment of a conference call between Navarro and \"the operators of a racing stable in California,\" during which the administration of PED\'s to \"Nanoosh\" was discussed.  At the time, Nanoosh was owned by Rockingham Ranch, Zayat Stables, LLC and David Bernsen, LLC.

[sunny]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/indictments-horse-doping-case

[Boscar Obarra]

Yeah, surprised it took so long

[johnnym]

2017 a certain west coast trainer went East 5-5 on Belmont day..

[P-Dub]

johnnym Wrote:
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> 2017 a certain west coast trainer went East 5-5 on
> Belmont day..


Same guy that had several horses drop dead??

Most ran big, VERY big that day

[Boscar Obarra]

Re: Link to Christian Hellmers interview with Baffert (579 Views)
Posted by: Boscar Obarra (IP Logged)
Date: October 09, 2018 10:41PM

You know what we all wanted was a good old 60 minutes type interview circa Mike Wallace, but you did the best you could without getting in his face