Derby Fav

[JohnTChance]

Jerry:

You often disparage your sheets competition. Fine with us. But in the current age of sheets-speak, it begs the question: Does Brad Cox use ThoroGraph or the competition? When he says in interviews that he thinks one of his his runners “will move forward,” is he referencing your sheets? Or Jake’s “tricky” numbers?

Can you tell us which Kentucky Derby trainers use and rely on ThoroGraph?

[TGJB]

What you have in the Derby package is correct (after revision).

[TGJB]

As far as I know Cox isn’t using mine, and as a general rule I’m not talking about which horsemen (owners, trainers, breeders etc.) use ours unless they do first. I don’t love it when people use me for advertising (which lots of ads for stallions do), my guess is others don’t liked being used that way either. I know for a fact one very big trainer doesn’t.

I was disparaging their methods, not their figures. There’s a difference, I can back up my reasoning (and have), it’s not just an assertion. And I haven’t done it “often” recently, if at all.

[richiebee]

JB you\'re killing me.

Yes I know anyone can buy data, but when stud farms use TGs or Rags or Beyer in
their ads they pay no one?

When I hear over the top race calls in the stallion ads the announcers are not
compensated??

Not paying and not getting paid at every possible opportunity is not American.

[TGJB]

Apparently they can use anything we have published, including any comments I make in seminars or ROTW. My guess is race calls are different, but who knows.

[RICH]

they weren\'t the same on TG numbers at all

[confused]

That\'s why I\'m \'confused\'....regardless, I can\'t make a case against this horse even though I think he won\'t win.

[Fairmount1]

From my prior message in this string if I have placed this correctly.  

I\'m just going to set this right here for everyone to recall. . . Too bad I did not believe he could win when I put it out here almost exactly what would happen.  More when time permits.




Even the most hardened of horse players that see where drugs have taken the game, can still get some Derby fever! Especially when BB doesn\'t have them over a barrel. Although last year\'s \"training job\" with getting a horse that couldn\'t run the Haskell distance to stretch out to the Derby distance and win always makes one nervous of the rabbits he can pull out of a hat. Generally, everyone can see whatever he does works best when sent hard to the lead just like Arrogate at the Travers several years back. MS and CT weren\'t able to or didn\'t do that in their last preps.

[Strike]

Fairmount1 Wrote:
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> From my prior message in this string if I have
> placed this correctly.  
>
> I\'m just going to set this right here for everyone
> to recall. . . Too bad I did not believe he could
> win when I put it out here almost exactly what
> would happen.  More when time permits.
>
>
>
>
> Even the most hardened of horse players that see
> where drugs have taken the game, can still get
> some Derby fever! Especially when BB doesn\'t have
> them over a barrel. Although last year\'s \"training
> job\" with getting a horse that couldn\'t run the
> Haskell distance to stretch out to the Derby
> distance and win always makes one nervous of the
> rabbits he can pull out of a hat. Generally,
> everyone can see whatever he does works best when
> sent hard to the lead just like Arrogate at the
> Travers several years back. MS and CT weren\'t able
> to or didn\'t do that in their last preps.


Crystal Ball who ran in the 9th race at Churchill yesterday is the definition of what you describe here. Went to the front. Was headed by Market Rumor. Hit another gear. Drew away. Time and time again -- exactly what his horses do. Not normal.