Georgina Baxter

[TGJB]

I think people should be focusing a lot more on the Clenbuterol positives. That stuff is a true performance enhancer.

A second focus should be on whether the tracks are testing, and how. And whether they are using the the tool we developed with the Jockey Club for them— and again, how. And doing the other thing that would indicate they’re actually serious— freezing and retesting samples.

And finally, there needs to be a lot more attention paid to the vets. Who is treating whom.

[jerry]

Both. They’re really trying to clean things up and the sport is, and always has been beyond repair. At least in this country it is.

30 days for holding a horse? They’re giving tacit approval to race fixing.  

For entertainment purposes only.

[Strike]

I like your vet comment. If there was an \"investigating horse doping 101\" class, students would be taught to note the trainers who are getting positives AND THEN look at the vets who those trainers use. 100% there is a correlation from the dirty trainers to the dirty vets. But, nobody ever publicly discusses it.

[Boscar Obarra]

sorry to burst your bubble, but serious players have been discussing it for 4 decades . at least

 there is no way to know who the vets are unless you\'re an owner or have contacts on the backside.

 NYRA doesn\'t even publish the JOCK AGENTS list anywhere I can find.  Everything is a big secret

[Strike]

Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> sorry to burst your bubble, but serious players
> have been discussing it for 4 decades . at least
>
>  there is no way to know who the vets are unless
> you\'re an owner or have contacts on the backside.
>
>
>  NYRA doesn\'t even publish the JOCK AGENTS list
> anywhere I can find.  Everything is a big secret

HMMM. \"Burst my bubble?\" I assume you mean that I have illusions of what is going on. I have owned horses every year since 1990. Some Grade 1 winners. So, I assume you are one of the \"serious players\" that you reference. And, according to you serious players have been discussing this topic for 40+ years yet \"there is no way to know who the vets are unless you are an owner or have contacts on the backside.\"

What have you been discussing then for 40+ years? The fact that you just don\'t know?

NYRA and CHRB and the rest of the race track operators know the information that you say they don\'t know. It is also ridiculous to imply that race tracks don\'t know who the jock agents represent -- if that is what you are trying to say. I stand by my original comment. The people who have authority to do something about this (not the serious players you again reference) have turned a blind\'s eye to this. The vets need to be held accountable -- especially when illegal drugs are being used -- and they have not been.

[TGJB]

First, the issue is whether the information is publicly available, not whether somebody knows it.

Second of all I can tell you for a fact that NYRA does not know which vet is treating each horse. The Jockey Club tells me registering that info will be something the HISA bill will make happen.

[Strike]

So, you say NYRA doesn\'t know which specific vets the trainers use? OK. Then it gets back to MY point that they just don\'t care to know. I am not an expert on the specifics of the HISA Bill. It certainly makes good sense though to have Federal enforcement power to govern thoroughbred racing.

[Boscar Obarra]

Clearly I was addressing this \"But, nobody ever publicly discusses it.\"

 It\'s been discussed, to death. Many times here on the TG Board.

 Jockey agents used to be listed in the condition book.    They appear to have stopped that years ago . I was unable to find the info last time I looked .

 Should be on the NYRA site, is it ?

[johnnym]

I’m all for cleaning up the sport.
But why do people advocate for the biggest liars and thieves in the world?
Yes to enforcement, just not by the feds.

[richiebee]

Boscar:

Somewhere in the archives I have a Condition Book from Delaware Park, 1986.

There is indeed a page that lists all riders with their weights, agents and
agent\'s phone numbers. Some of the names: Rick Wilson (agent Al Dellape, who also
had Mary Ann Alligood\'s book), Julie Krone (Ken \"Snake\" Cooper, agent) and Chris
Antley (Drew Mollica).

[Boscar Obarra]

Not sure when or why NYRA dropped it . Calls at 3am asking for hot tips or cursing the agent for a jocks bad ride ?

 Other tracks still offer the information on their websites.

[Dick Powell]

I found this. It might be a bit outdated but most of it is accurate.

[Dick Powell]

Would help with the attachment.

https://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/horsemen/jockey-page.pdf

[Boscar Obarra]

Thanks Dick,  I actually found that myself, but thought it was quite old ?

 Looks like a few seasons at least. Maybe still semi usable.

 Found this , not sure why my previous looks at condition books didnt have this

https://nytha.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/BPSBK1.pdf

[Dick Powell]

It was probably good for last winter\'s Aqueduct meet. It had Kiaran repping Luis Saez.