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ajkreider

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Born Noble
« on: December 30, 2023, 08:44:38 PM »
Since it\'s never too early to talk Derby hopefuls  . . .

Born Noble was a facile winner today.  Not that long ago, a first start this late in the game was a disqualifier, but no more.  

Time was nothing to write home about,1:24.27, but the track was tiring.  The older G2 winner O\'Conner went 1 1/16th in 1:43:80. The kicker is that the BN attended the sub-:46 pace.  The other dirt routes didn\'t go under :47, and the winners in those came from farther back.  4-wide on the turn, will get a better fig on TG.

A Constitution out of a Ghostzapper,classic distance is in range.  Maybe worth a spin early.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2023, 08:53:41 PM »
Facile?
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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2023, 09:15:30 PM »
Yeah, despite nearly putting himself in the fence, I\'d say it was still relatively effortless.

Got a nice Beyer (93).  We shall see.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2023, 10:24:41 AM »
Coincidentally, Born Noble has Rokeby Rose as his fourth dam, the same as the Ft Lauderdale winner, Main Event. After that, the similarity ends.

Rokeby Rose (by Tom Rolfe) was the dam of $3M earner Silverbulletday.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2024, 09:48:10 PM »
The whole bottom of the pedigree is interesting, with the BC Turf winner Prized in there.  RR won the Flower Bowl. Lion Heart didn\'t sire a ton, but did get his own BC Turf winner in Dangerous Midge.  And it\'s not like Ghostzapper hasn\'t had success as a route turf damsire (Up to the Mark). Wouldn\'t be shocked to see him on that surface at some point.

But, after his lone 7F triumph, he\'s now 14-1 to win the Derby.  Anyone know how to set up a bookmaking shop?

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2024, 10:22:55 AM »
Would you bet him at 100-1? I did for pizza money at WH in Las Vegas.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2024, 11:57:01 AM »
Pop quiz— Beyer 93, TG 4. What do you think Jake gave him?
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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2024, 02:07:31 PM »
Answer… 15.
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ajkreider

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2024, 09:26:41 PM »
Yeah, I don\'t get it.

Equibase also has that maiden race (79) a lot slower than both the one-turn Rampart (92) and the two-turn Harlan\'s Holiday (114!), and they don\'t do weight.

Maybe they and Rags have the track slowing down a lot? Not sure how they\'d get there, since the interim races were turf or all weather.

Another young horse worth looking at from GP last weekend is the gelding Hades.  Ran a good 7F time at a great closing fraction. Probably got a better number than BN or the Mucho Macho Man winner.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2024, 12:16:16 AM »
Baffert’s colt Nysos has an interesting pedigree, no inbreeding in the last five crosses, with some monsters on the page, and looks like a freak. Wonder if he will be on the derby trail, and handed over to Yakteen. Haven’t heard anything about him and his future, but he is good one.

apindy62

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2024, 07:57:19 AM »
FYI, here in Vegas Nysos 18-1, Hades 300-1

apindy62

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2024, 08:15:51 AM »
He is a freak two unbelievable races to start career. He continues to work well, can\'t wait to see his next start.

Michael D.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2024, 01:05:14 PM »
ajkreider Wrote:
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> Maybe they and Rags have the track slowing down a
> lot? Not sure how they\'d get there, since the
> interim races were turf or all weather.


It\'s very unlikely Ragozin has the track slowing down.

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2024, 01:48:50 PM »
ajkreider Wrote:
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> Another young horse worth looking at from GP last
> weekend is the gelding Hades.  Ran a good 7F time
> at a great closing fraction. Probably got a better
> number than BN or the Mucho Macho Man winner.


What day did Hades run?

ajkreider

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Re: Born Noble
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2024, 03:31:27 PM »
Sunday. The MMM went Monday, and BN ran Saturday.

The Sunday races on dirt were all maidens, so hard to get a read on the quality. His race was state breds, but against winners, at least.

Frankly, I thought Resilience on the undercard ran better than the MMM winner, and did it going two turns.  Looking at some of the figs from the Juvy and recent races, there appears to be some talent in this crop.