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derby1592

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ROTW
« on: March 04, 2005, 11:24:55 PM »
Another nice job on the ROTW regarless of the outcome.

I pretty much agree with the analysis with one exception. I am more positive on Borrego.

He has run a top the second time out after a break or freshening the last 3 times (only 3 times) he has had the opportunity and his last was clearly a prep and he won the race easily from off the pace so the poor figure may be a bit misleading and is probably not as bad as it looks. He also followed that bench effort up with a sparkling work (for a horse that is a so-so work horse at best). So I think there is a good chance that he will run a big one tomorrow and, at the weights, he is faster than all but the Saint and Garret Gomez will likely manage a rail trip from the 2-hole. He also appears to have the best closing kick in the field so the added distance going 10f should suit him nicely. Finally, if the track is off, it should only help him out. The 30/1 morning line sure looks generous to me...

Good luck to all.

Chris

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Re: ROTW
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2005, 05:16:20 AM »
I agree with Chris\'s comment -- another nice job on the ROTW.  I also want to compliment Chris on his ROTW which I thought was excellent (it really put the pressure on me).

Here are a few side comments from me...as to Borrego...at 30-1 he is unquestionably usable in exotics underneath, that price seems very out of whack to me.  However, he would need to give some indicator before I felt one could rely on him coming ALL THE WAY back to that one isolated top and be deserving of major backing.  I agree that an off track helps him and that he WILL be jumping back up to (probably) the \'2\' level which with the weight is not awful (not 30-1 awful).  I am more inclined to agree with Chris, in contradistinction to TGJB\'s analysis, to be forgiving of that first off the layoff because of this horse\'s history of large jump ups.  The question is does he jump up 3.5 points or 6.5 points?  Lean closer to the 3.5 which is what makes him usable but not key-worthy (he would be key-worthy with a 6.5 jump up (although could still manage to lose to St. Liam).  Does anybody know what weight Gomez can make?  It is important today.

On Island Fashion, I agree with TJGB entirely.  I think you can just blank out her two turf efforts and am hoping that her excuse in the last was truly bona fide.  If that is the case, then I think she looks very strong here. Am hoping feverishly that her odds will drift up.

Saint Liam -- good grief.  The average number this horse has run in 2004 and 2005 is faster than a \'-2.\'  The average of the last three is \'-3.5.\'  He is early in his 5 year old campaign so as bizarre as this sounds, more improvement is possible.  Even if this horse reacts to his last figure, he is not going to react a lot.  This time last year as a 4 yo he was throwing back to back \'-1.5s\'.  I think he is likely to pair up his number today (the bore outs do not scare me after seeing what he did last time out after having two bore outs already -- if anything, the confidence of running him back sooner than normal (but still with 4 weeks rest) tells me it is not an indication of an injury or infirmity).  Unfortunately, I think this horse will get a good trip.  Truly a Judge and Grand Reward have to be sent (it is their only hope) and they will probably break away from the field. Prado will have more than a quarter of a mile to find a way to get to the rail with a horse that is pretty tractable.  The one possibility is that P Val\'s horse is equally tractable and he does the smart thing and box out Edgar.  

Anyway, it seems to me that the way to play this race (which is not a very appetizing betting race) is to key SL on top in the Supers and key IF underneath.  To fill out the other two holes, you need to unfortunately spread pretty deep, but you could get one (and if you are very lucky two) good prices in there to make it a nice super.  Borrego, Truly a Judge, and Supah Blitz are possible candidates for that spot (or, hopefully, spots).  I would probably save a little with Island Fashion in the win hole so I do not feel like a complete idiot if she beats SL.

There are some other extremely tasty races on this card.


SoCalMan2

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Re: ROTW
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2005, 05:18:30 AM »
By the way, echoing Chris, again,

-- Good Luck to all!!


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Re: Race of the Weak
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2005, 08:47:40 AM »
Not much else to use in here to try and beat St Liam. Certainly not one of the more memorable Big Cap Fields but it still is a great card and a great day of racing.

If someone goes with St Liam when he goes then maybe the Mile and 1/4 gets to \"The Saint\" and Borrego roles home bombs away.

In any event good luck to everybody today.

Chuckles_the_Clown2

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Re: ROTW
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2005, 12:46:22 PM »
Borrego has one isolated figure that could make him competitive, but he\'s in with several others that are right there on his one best. I think he shakes down to about 4th best on the isotop.

I\'m not altogether sure he he is super fond of Santa Anita. He\'s never come back to his best 2 yr. old race there. Thats probably evidence of circumstances. Still, I\'d feel much better about him running at Fair Grounds or Oaklawn than Arcadia. Demand Good Odds.

Beating Saint Liam is gonna be the Key and theres lots of reasons to take a shot at him. That last furlong would seem to be an impediment. However, race watchers said he ran every step of the way last. I don\'t think thats even remotely true. I guess the question is can he win staggering late.

CtC



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mkram

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Re: ROTW
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2005, 02:23:05 PM »
I agree - there are a few reasons to take a stand against Saint Liam (i.e., the ship, the three bo\'s, a few speedsters in the race, highweight, post 11).  He\'s coming back from that -4 in 28 days - he\'s used to having more spacing especially after a big one.

With that said, coming up with the right value play is tough.  I have have not factored in an off track.

Supah Blitz- I like his chances.  Although this horse has been overaced, he has been getting much better spacing since O\'Neill took over; at least he hasn\'t fallen apart.  Has those 3 negative #\'s to go back to and has paired 2 of them on very short rest.  This one could be leaning toward firing a big one off that last one after 49 days.

Island Fashion - another I see improving off last race to that 0 which could put her in the mix with the weight and half-way decent trip.

Lundys\' L - nice pattern, Frankel, nice spacing between races on the plus side.  2nd highweight looks to save ground and with repeat of last should be in the mix.

Rock Hard Ten - finally broke through 3YO top under Mandella. Hmmm.  Willing to take a stand that he doesn\'t improve off that in this race.

Congrats - ran those two big eforts but see a bounce coming based on his history of bouncing after 1 or 2 efforts (although with Shug).

Borrego - not impressed with the one isloated top in the mud and although he won his last not happy with the layoff race.

Imperilaism - took him a bit to get back to slow 3YO top (although 2 out of 5 races were turf).  Bore in 2 back, short rest between last 2 starts coupled with slow top makes him a toss.

Truly A Judge - this speedster should help the pace but I think those recent negative #\'s (2 of them compressed) will take their toll.

Californian - ugly pattern and too slow.

Grand Reward - will help the pace but too slow and no discernible class overseas.

I\'ll be watching the board, but a 3-horse box of Supah, Island, and Lundy with some straight on Supah is my play.

Chuckles_the_Clown2

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Re: ROTW and GP 8th
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2005, 03:03:18 PM »
I like Supah to run a nice race. I\'m not sure he can win and I\'ve questioned the distance, but I think he\'s gonna run o.k.

If Sis City is remarkable then everything that ran at Gulfstream on Feb. 5th is golden.

Interesting GP 8th. \"The battle of the Causeways heading to Churchill Downs\"...lol

Holy Ground had a horror trip last. These are NW1X, Toss it. The Diamond Isle horse might have something to say about this one too. If theres a weakness in Zitos horse its he\'s one run looking and someone could get the jump on him. Pletcher looks to have a turfer to me, but a minor stakes placing turfer probably fits in here.

Remember, a bet on Pletcher is a bet on talent. Its easy.

Ut Oh...That one didn\'t look bad...lol



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