Revenge of the hardboots

[derby1592]

Supertests 1  -  Supertrainers 0

Cheers.

Chris

[sheba87]

Did the tests run the 45 half and 1:08 six furlongs?

More like horses that like racing off fast paces that want 10F and that are prepared properly +1 - horses with fast speed figures 0.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

This race was a strange one. It may be the four Negative number horses all bounced. With Alex bouncing least on foundation. 2:02:75 was slow on that track.

Bouncing had nothing to do with this result.

[derby1592]

Check the results of all the graded races run at CD this weekend. Not just the Derby.

Chris

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Pace was a factor...reviewing the chart might say more. Alex may have bounced. Bellamania may have met a pace scenario he foreseeably couldnt handle.

Bandini washed out pre race.

Greeley\'s may have been pace and distance limitation. He hadn\'t worked great pre race.

Tenative theory is bounce played an enormous role.

Testing hasn\'t stopped them prior to this race. Unless they\'ve developed a test for precisely what they\'ve been juicing with you have to be skeptical.

Giacomo didnt\' qualify on dosage...lol



Post Edited (05-07-05 19:13)

[Mall]

I assumed that was what you meant, & I couldn\'t agree more, although I have to admit that it would have been nice if just one of the supertrainers we had in pk4s paying from $20k to $100k would have been able to use his juice just one more time. It appears that you\'re taking it a lot better than I am, which is to your credit. If I was the poster who liked CA & didn\'t cash, as happened to me with a 50-1 shot  in the 5th, that might not be possible, even for you. Very tough game, juice or not.

[TGJB]

Chris-- yeah. Alan and I started talking about it Friday, and by Sat it was pretty clear with TP (as it was last Travers day), the question was who else. I have gotten behind on doing days with all the Derby stuff so I haven\'t seen what\'s going on at Belmont, but I do know favorites have been doing much worse since the detention barn started.

The bad news is that Allday et al will end up playing golf in Florida instead of doing time. The good news is that this could be the beginning of several good things happeneing to the game over the next year or two. FYI, Scott Waterman, who is behind the KY testing, is one of the people I talked to trying to do something about this crap. In his case, he was way ahead of me-- he knew everything before I told him, including every vet and trainer I mentioned.

CH-- pace may very well have been a factor for some, it was hot. But that ain\'t the big story-- not all the name horses that didn\'t fire were on or near the lead. Pletcher will be less Godlike going forward in certain jurisdictions, is my guess.

Meanwhile, anybody catch Donna Brothers reporting that AA had been taking to another stall to be hosed down?

I\'ll take a look at the other results this week.

I thought it was fairly obvious that everyone near the pace was severely compromised. Many of the other horses they sent out had serious question marks about distance or lacked ability/recent form.

IMO Bellamy Road and High Fly both ran fairly well considering their trips. Plus both had question marks coming in related to distance, pace, rateability etc...

I thought High Limit was probably more likely to finish last than first given this pace scenario and his being exposed in the BG (I thought he\'d beat Spanish Chestnut and Going Wild).  

Andromeda Hero was a very slow horse.

Coin Silver and Flower Ally were second stringers that haven\'t exactly looked like Stymie in the stretch of shorter races.

I liked Bandini, but he was so dreadful I can\'t believe juice had anyhing to do with his performance. He was just too horrible.

I liked Greely\'s Galaxy, but let\'s face it, he had only 4 lifetime starts, 2 route preps and he beat 3rd stringers when he ran fast. So he was highly vulnerable to a bad performance and I said so prior.

I\'ll check the rest of week\'s results like you suggest, but as bad as the drug problem is these days, IMO it would really be stretching things to blame this mess of a race on drug testing.

This is what happens in 20 horse fields when the pace is hot and you find out that a lot of horses don\'t want 10F or weren\'t seasoned enough for such a demanding race.

Logical people tear up tickets.



Post Edited (05-07-05 19:44)

[derby1592]

Mall,

I thought in mid stretch that we were going to hit a big pick 4 just like we did last year on Derby day but it was just not to be this time around. Next year...

Chris

[Saddlecloth]

so, did every horse bounce in this race, I mean we have to assume some ran their best races, like afleet alex, right.  projection theory?

how did the other two turn races grade out today so we have a solid varient?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Alex in all likelihood bounced.

Andromedas hero could have run around the track twice more on Ark day and with each lap he\'d of lost more ground to Alex. He cut into Alex\'s margin this time. I\'ll defer to TGraph, but Alex had to regress.

He lost ground to Flower Alley as well. Alex went back.

[SJU5]

a druggie on cold turkey...didn\'t have his \"juice today\"? He was sooooo bad the whole race, looked horrible pre-race...did he have the shakes too?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

I caught a glimpse of him in the post parade and saw the shine. Misidentified it as a health coat. They say he was wet. Loss of the juice didnt wash him out. He left his race on the walkup....freaked out. I a slew of bets hooked on him. If he won, I still lose.

Bandini had a 7 point top per TGraph. That probably was a factor. Last time I dont factor the big negative top with greater respect.