What am I missing here?

[Michael D.]

richie,
HL was my first toss in the derby, who cares? if you know that the owners are calling all the shots here, that is good info. if you are just guessing, it\'s time to stop this charade.

[richiebee]

Michael D.

 It is not information, it is an inference. My assumption is that last fall Frankel was informed by the Wests that they had a colt with Tony Dutrow and they wanted Frankel to take the colt to the Triple Crown. Mission accomplished. Did I hear the conversation? No. Did I intercept the email? No. Just an inference.

 Not a further utterance shall be issued by me concerning these matters. Charade exposed.

[Michael D.]

the inference is fine. every bettor has to make inferences when trying to figure out this game. i was just a bit confused when you said \"no way is it frankel\'s decision to run.\"

[MO]

I like to think I have a pretty good handle on jockey behaviour as I alomst married one (it was a chick, wiseguy)

Anyway, I feel that \"where there is smoke there is fire\" in matters such as these. It was in the papers last week that Dominguez was said to have wanted off HL BEFORE the Derby and Frankel was pissed about it.

TAKE THIS TO THE BANK FRIENDS: IF DOMINGUEZ WANTED OFF, THEN THE HORSE IS A CRIPPLE.

Now if its all BS and he never said that, then welcome to handicapping in the new millenium. But I bet $200 on him in the Blue Grass. And another $100 in the Derby. I ain\'t chasing that $300 with another $300 to get 5-2 in the Preakness, I\'ll guarantee you that. Can I get 5-1 on Closing Argument?

P.S. I\'m still a bit groggy, didn\'t High Limit finish LAST  in the Derby. How many horses have come back from a last place finish in the Derby to win the Preakness? Without doing any research I would bet a lot that the answer is ZERO. And at 5-2, I\'m not about to gamble High Limit will be the first.



Post Edited (05-14-05 18:23)

[jimbo66]

RichieBee,

What a dumb comment.  Yes, my point is that if High Limit runs up the track in the Preakness, that sets him up for the Belmont..  People have tried to understand your point here, offer the same courtesy back.

My point with the reference to Medaglia D\'Oro is this.  Some of your thesis on the owners calling the shots with High Limit is that Frankel doesn\'t run horses back on short rest.  Most of us know that, heck Frankel is recently mentioning \"sheets\" every time he gets interviewed.  However, he adjusts his scheduling for the Triple Crown, just like the rest of them are forced to do.  He ran Medaglia back on short rest twice and he is running High Limit back off a \"non-effort\".  Maybe he is up the track, but I will give him a long look.  Your prerogative to throw him out immediately.  

MO,

5-2 is a bad guess at High Limit\'s odds for the Preakness.  He will be triple that or more, almost guaranteedd.  Tough to guess at odds for next Saturday\'s race, but here are the over/unders for the horses you mentioned:

Closing Argument 8-1

High Limit  10-1

[richiebee]

Jimbo:
I am sorry that my comments re High Limit seemed to agitate both you and Michael D. I apologize for my words and deeds  infrequently, but always with sincerity.

In a totally unrelated matter, Michael Hammersly, in Sunday\'s DRF, makes the following observation: \"We\'ve got to get the Derby down to 16 horses. Twenty adds up to nothing but danger and chaos.\"

Comments anyone? By chaos does he mean an unexpected result such as was produced by the 05 Derby? Danger? I know there were some rough trips, but when was the last time there was a spill in the Derby?



Post Edited (05-15-05 02:36)

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

richiebee wrote:

> In a totally unrelated matter, Michael Hammersly, in Sunday\'s
> DRF, makes the following observation: \"We\'ve got to get the
> Derby down to 16 horses.

Interesting he says 16 horses. Why 16? Thats still an auxilliary gate with 2 horses correct?

Well, I\'ll tell you why he said 16. Its because BOTH Giacomo and Closing Arguement wouldn\'t have qualified if the field was limited to 14 starters. They were 15 and 16 respectively on graded stakes earnings.

So next year Michael, shall we eliminate the Derby Perfecta because a 20 horse field violates your standards of safety? And when the field is limited to 16 and a horse goes down one day and causes a death, shall we reduce it to 6 or 8, or whatever number you deem safe? And then what do we do when it happens again in that 8 horse field?

No wonder horseracing is in trouble. Its populated with crooks and poor decision makers.

[big18741]

Blinkers on for High Limit and Frankel says he\'ll be on the lead.

[MO]

Dominguez off, he falters at the eighth pole.

[big18741]

High Limit on the lead,High Fly if he goes sitting very close and engaging him on the turn-BOTH milers will be done at the 1/8th pole.

Now who gets the trip sitting in behind them???

Greeleys Galaxy,Closing Argument or Scrappy T? Post positions will be critical here.

Can Greeleys bounce back to his Illinois Derby form? His pattern probably says no,and I\'m not sure his trainer knows what day it is(not a knock on his age),but he was pretty much eliminated in the Derby when he broke bad.

Closing Argument is lightly raced this year,but he was close to a hot pace and was drifting in the stretch.I think it was only a 2 pt new top for him,but the bearing out bothers me.He missed time after the Holy Bull with some sort of an ailment.I\'m not so sure he bounces right back with another good one.

Scrappy T\'s previous top was a 2.5.I\'m just guessing but I think his Withers was better than that,and if so makes him competitive in here at least on #\'s.I\'ll find out Wed night.

[elkurzhal]

Anyone else find it odd that Dominguez was up on HL for the work yesterday?

[big18741]

He rode at Hollywood Saturday and then was back at Delaware for the first race yesterday which was 12:45 or so.No way he went to Churchill to work the horse in between.Has to be bad info.

[NoCarolinaTony]

Michael D.,

Not that this matter much, but Prado was given choice by Zito to ride either Sun King or Noble Causeway. (in DRF prior to Derby) and Prado chose Sun King even after the bad Blue Grass.

NC Tony

[BitPlayer]

From Dave Grening\'s article in the online DRF:

Ramon Dominguez picked up the mount on Scrappy T after being told he was not going to retain the mount on High Limit, on whom Dominguez finished last of 20 in the Derby.

\"I won a few races with High Limit, like the Louisiana Derby,\" Dominguez said. \"There\'s no hard feelings.\"

http://www.drf.com/news/article/65088.html