Surgeries and procedures

[HP]

Also Barry,

Is Dr. Allday the vet for the Team Valor horses trained by Pletcher or any of the other Team Valor trainers?  Now THAT would be some useful info.  Thanks in advance, HP

[Barry Irwin]

Also Barry,

Is Dr. Allday the vet for the Team Valor horses trained by Pletcher or any of the other Team Valor trainers? Now THAT would be some useful info. Thanks in advance, HP

One would think that somebody as chock full of knowledge as you would know the answer to these questions, or are they rhetorical in nature?

[Wrongly]

Barry I for one would like to hear your opinions beofore i wager a single dolllar on the likes of Guillame Tell!  But then again we are talking about horse hacing and inisde infgormation.  Then you publicly back La Ina.  I reminded of a quote from the quote Usual Suscepects.   \"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is getting people to believe that he doesn\'t exist.\"

[HP]

Barry,

I\'m not chock full of knowledge.  That\'s a direct question about Allday.  What\'s the problem?  I find it interesting that you refuse to answer...  

It just seems odd to me you\'re talking about \"pure intent\" with Ralph Nicks but when it comes to Todd Pletcher you\'re willing to keep your head stuck in the sand.  Do you ask Pletcher about Allday?  Anything controversial?  It doesn\'t disturb you that this isn\'t the first incident regarding Pletcher?  How is it that other trainers are able to avoid this kind of thing?  

I knew that this whole recent Pletcher incident would not disrupt business as usual at Saratoga (posted it here months ago -- the racing establishment is so predictable).  I\'m sure this delay is in the best interests of racing, and perhaps even outfits like Team Valor.  Hopefully the DRF will be able to find time to crank out a few puff pieces on what a genius Pletcher is.  

Congrats on La Ina.  Feel free to answer/avoid the question about Allday whenever.  

HP

[Silver Charm]

>Hopefully the DRF will be able to find time to crank out a few puff pieces.

Puff pieces HP?? That\'s way too sharp an edge for that bunch.

And while I\'m at it Barry. In your Bloodhorse story you wrote,

\"I had been privy to all the tales about the infamous Dr. Harthill, I made up my mind that the next time I ran into a veterinary issue that required a man of experience and talent, Doc Harthill would get the call.

We were on opposite sides of the medication issue.\"

So another words you don\'t agree with any of his ethics and principles but he can work for you any day of the week.

What a f*****g crock a s**t you are.

[HP]

Silver,

Everyone seemed so grateful for the La Ina tip I hated to break up the parade.  He just flat out REFUSED to answer a direct question about Pletcher/Allday.  I have nothing against the guy, I just asked a question.  I think his non-response say it all...  Pletcher is successful and why upset the applecart before the final whitewash is in?  The comments on Nicks are a bit high-falutin\', considering what he\'s willing to overlook with Teflon Todd...  

I hope you took note of Barry\'s non-answer, classhandicapper.  He knows what I\'m talking about, he just REFUSED to answer...  I wonder why?  I guess Barry, who is concerned with \"pure intent,\" is not in a position to know or ask about the vet for his horses?  He\'s just blissfully unaware of any controversy on that front.  Lightly raced high-quality stock.  Sure.      

HP

Not for anything, but Barry came here and volunteered some information about the medical procedure in question and his experience with its effectiveness among TV horses. He also threw in some information about a decent priced winner to boot.

So what did he get in return?

He got the kind of treatment that is often typical around here when you aren\'t one of \"the collective!\"

Do you really think Barry is going to waste his time offering any insights into medical procedures, drugs etc... in the future if he\'s going to be attacked as soon as he shows up because he \"may\" have opinions on these issues that don\'t fit the cult standards here?  

Did you ever think he might have something valuable to contribute that would shed further light on some of this stuff that we may not get to discuss now?

There are often some very good discussions here, but the attitude often sucks and the occasional cult-like thinking is very limiting.

Go ahead and flame away....I know some of you excel at that.
 

[HP]

Class,

You are absolutely correct about the positive elements of Barry\'s postings.  He got PLENTY of positive feedback here and I appreciated his posts!  

I asked him a question.  I would hardly call it an attack.  I also included a reference to a previous Pletcher positive.  It\'s not even that tough a question!  I don\'t see anything out of line about it at all.  He must know something about who vets his horses.  I don\'t think the Pletcher/Allday relationship is a secret.  What if I want to invest in Team Valor?  

You seem more bent out of shape than Barry.  It\'s the lightly raced stock...  

HP

[davidrex]

     Class,
Are you aware of the term\"A drunkards\' dream\"?

PARTYpokerON!

[davidrex]

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HP,

This will be my last post on this.

If someone like me had asked BI the question about the Allday etc... I would have given the person the benefit of the doubt regarding his/her intent.

However, after blasting TP and Allday etc... for months and bringing up a past TP positive that BI may not have even know about (details also unknown) it was pretty obvious that your intent (and the intent of a few others who were WAY more specific) was to attack BI through association with those guys and others.

It\'s not my job to defend BI and I definitely don\'t want to defend any cheaters, but I think there may have been a better way to go about discussing the issue.

What really matters is that the consistently crappy attitude around here probably drove away a valuable source of input on these issues and doomed a few of us to more \"guilty until proven innocent\" rants every time a horse improves or doesn\'t fire the shot his TG figure suggests he should have.

[TGJB]

CH-- I\'ll let HP deal with the details if he is dumb enough to continue to waste time with you, but that was a truly moronic post. You\'re right, people get mad at you for no reason at all-- it\'s really all about crappy attitude and horses not running the right TG figures.

Barry can choose to answer or not, but HP asked him a fair question.

The TP positives are a matter of public record.

[HP]

Class,

You probably don\'t realize how insulting your post is to Barry Irwin.  You don\'t think it\'s part of Barry\'s \"due diligence\" in hiring a trainer to know about his record?  

Barry Irwin employs Todd Pletcher.  There\'s nothing wrong with asking him about it.  Yeesh.

HP

TGJB,

He replied about the recent TP positive and said it was a contamination issue. Obviously, \"he\" believes that the medication in question and the amount that showed up does not demonstrate the type of \"intent\" that he has a problem with.

Read \"ALL\" the posts directed at BI. It only takes an IQ slightly higher than rock to know that the intent was not to ask legit questions but to attack him by association.

HP,

Read ALL the posts directed at BI, not just your own.