dumb weighters ny post page3

[stellastar31]

TODAYS NEW YORK POST PAGE 3 STATES THE FOLLOWING THAT AGROUP OF TOP RACING OFFICIALS ALTERED THE OUTCOME OF RACES BY MISSTATING THE WEIGHT THAT JOCKEYS WERE CARRING  THAT THEY LIED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC PRIOR TO THE RACES BEING RUN AND GIVING THE INSIDE INFORMATION TO WELL INFORMED GAMBLERS GIVING THEM AN ADVANTAGE MARIO SCLAFANI CHIEF OF SCALES IS EXPECTED TO SURRENDER TODAY THE PROBE ALSO TARGETS BRAULIO BAEZA SCLAFANIS TOP DEPUTY ANOTHER CROOKED JOCK ELLIOT SPITZER NY STATE ATTORNEY GENRAL WILL UNSEAL THE 190 COUNT INDICTMENT TODAY IN ALBANY

[richiebee]

Would be fascinating to see if TGJB is called as an expert witness on the effects of a couple of slabs of lead weight on the outcome of races...

Would the other party to the dispute call a Rag man to refute JBs testimony on said effects?

Just a reminder, folks, medication issues represent a portion, but not all, of the cheating which has been a part of racing for centuries. They have still not developed a sufficient \"test\" for human character.

Every time I read about people being indicted, I remember a quote that came out of the coverage of Hurricane Katrina. Billy Tauzin, a US House of Rep member (his 2nd or 3rd cousin, Leroy Tauzin, rode at Ellis and La tracks) from Louisiana said it best a few years BEFORE Katrina \"Half my state is underwater, and the other half is under indictment.\"

[asfufh]

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/53796.htm
(You need to register(free) to read complete article)

[TGJB]

Bloodhorse has this story, and it appears there was no conspiracy to cash bets, just to let overweight jockeys ride (they claim, as much as 15 pounds overweight), although obviously a bettor who knew that could have an edge.

Here\'s the thing, and I will guarantee you the industry \"leaders\" don\'t get it-- Spitzer, who never saw a microphone he didn\'t like, is all over this. What the hell do you think is going to happen when something far bigger and more important breaks-- like the drug story, or past posting?  

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Its a very interesting story. Is this the weights story we heard rumor of last year? I imagine it is.

15 pounds overweight? Does anyone else find that highly unlikely? These are all 115+ pound guys as it is. Think they could really ride at 130+ and folks wouldn\'t notice?

What is the proof going to consist of? How are they going to prove Santos was 15 pounds over in a particular race and not merely 4 pounds over? Does it matter? Is there a reason to think 4 pounds over is not as big a problem legally as 15 pounds over?

What about this blurb from the story:

\"Co-conspirator jockeys then rode horses in races and thereby caused the horses to carry in excess of five pounds over the designated weight\"

Why is the number 5 pounds used as if it is a threshold?

This had to be looked into and stopped, but this Spitzer needs to focus. This is an attention case that is going to be very hard to prove. It will cost the defendants a lot of money to fight however.

[TGJB]

There used to be a rule in NY that jocks couldn\'t ride if they were more than 5 pounds over-- but it\'s a racing rule (if it still exists), not a law.

[Michael D.]

wonder how deep albarado is involved in this. we had discussion last month about robby. i mentioned how bad his ROI was at the spa. i could never point to a reason why he was bad, and all of the top trainers seemed to think he was ok, but his mounts consistently underperformed their odds. probably not be related to the scandal, but who knows?  

Jerry,
could you look at albarado\'s #\'s for me. did his spa ROI in early august include a lot of mounts from the 2004 season?

[miff]

As Chuck said, this is an old story, and from what was said around the track, no one made a betting coup. Hard to believe that a jock could be 15lbs overweight.Like JB said, there was probably more of an accomdation than a conspiracy here.

This Spitzer is so politically motivated, he should be arrested himself.There is merit in arresting Santos, imo, for STRANGLING and WRANGLING many horses on the grass over many years.

[MO]

An apprentice scheduled to ride at 106 lbs could carry an additional 15 lbs.

It is important to read the entire article as there were indeed betting coups involved. The overweights were then given to big betters who then had an unfair edge.

[HP]

Miff,

How do you KNOW no one made a betting coup?  

And you\'re saying you can tell just by looking at a jockey if they weigh 125 instead of 115?  Or even 130?  When they are all geared up?      

HP

[TGJB]

HP-- why not? He can tell just by looking at horses that they aren\'t 2% faster than they used to be.

[TGJB]

Michael-- if I understand your question, we would have to do a special computer run to answer it, and I have George doing other stuff.

[Michael D.]

ok, no worries. probably not related, and would be impossible to prove if it was.

[miff]

TGJB,

2% FASTER?? You\'re changing your tune. You said 2 seconds, 10 lengths faster and haven\'t you embarrassed yourself enough with that inane racing opinion of yours.

[miff]

HP,


Forget about what I could tell. There 30 odd people, jocks, valets who see each other every day. I think that 10-15 lbs extra on a 112/5 pound person is very noticable.

As far as a betting coup they would have to release all the data for each race. What I should have said is that when this came out in Dec of 04, there was no mention of a betting coup at that time.